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What are the differences between hatch grain from Horween and J&FJ Russian calf?
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Different tanning process, much different depth of color, and if I'm not mistaken the leathers are different as well. Horween is calf and there's been quite a bit of talk about what J&FJ is. The only thing I can confirm for sure is that J&FJ Russian Calf is almost or as durable as shell cordovan. Also, the smell. Horween hatch grain smells like leather. J&FJ smells special (I personally think it smells like bacon).
 

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Different tanning process, much different depth of color, and if I'm not mistaken the leathers are different as well. Horween is calf and there's been quite a bit of talk about what J&FJ is. The only thing I can confirm for sure is that J&FJ Russian Calf is almost or as durable as shell cordovan. Also, the smell. Horween hatch grain smells like leather. J&FJ smells special (I personally think it smells like bacon).
I always thought J&FJ Russian Calf is calf leather. If it were reindeer or whatever they would call it that.

If you go to the A&A crack website and look up leathers, you'll see that J&FJ doesn't fall under deer. It's normal cow/calf.


Btw, the A&A Crack site is leather crack. I've spent hours looking at the leathers.
 

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Different tanning process, much different depth of color, and if I'm not mistaken the leathers are different as well. Horween is calf and there's been quite a bit of talk about what J&FJ is. The only thing I can confirm for sure is that J&FJ Russian Calf is almost or as durable as shell cordovan. Also, the smell. Horween hatch grain smells like leather. J&FJ smells special (I personally think it smells like bacon).
Quite certain Horween is adult cow. A good way to check is to look at the size of the sides - 18-22 sqft is definitely much larger than a calf https://www.aacrack.com/products/horween-pioneer-hatch-grain-saddle-brown-1-6-1-8mm

JFJ Baker Russian calf is about 18-22 sqft for a full hide, aka 2 sides. Calf.

Annonay Calf is about 13-15 sqft for a side, or 26-30 sqft for a full skin. https://www.aacrack.com/products/annonay-ebony-b-calf-cabernet-1-2-1-4mm
 

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Quite certain Horween is adult cow. A good way to check is to look at the size of the sides - 18-22 sqft is definitely much larger than a calf https://www.aacrack.com/products/horween-pioneer-hatch-grain-saddle-brown-1-6-1-8mm

JFJ Baker Russian calf is about 18-22 sqft for a full hide, aka 2 sides. Calf.

Annonay Calf is about 13-15 sqft for a side, or 26-30 sqft for a full skin. https://www.aacrack.com/products/annonay-ebony-b-calf-cabernet-1-2-1-4mm

That is a great cheat method to use to arrive at that conclusion. 👌🏻

As @Texasmade mentioned though, it is indeed calf leather. However, it is a steer or ox (not sure what ages the UK stops designating them as calves). It could be 11 months (like in the US), or as much as 18 months (registration guidelines differ). I guess we'll say steer. Whatever the case may be, it is not a fully grown Ox but its size can be a source of confusion.

If you don't believe me, just reread the AACRACK description that @boot_owl posted haha.
As for why it could be under the "cow" listing category, bullhide is also called cowhide shoulder leather.
 
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The only thing I can confirm for sure is that J&FJ Russian Calf is almost or as durable as shell cordovan.
Bullshide has high tensile strength so it gives you that tough thicker fiber, yet because it is from younger animals it will be softer and more pliable. Which is why you get that shell resemblance.
 

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New Edward Green Dovers in Utah calf w/ Dainite outsoles:

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Thanks @Mallaig and @jischwar

What’s after that? Dieworkwear swears by Edward Green. What’s another brand that’s a little more sporty per se. EG is dressy. I want something that I can wear with pants and jeans. Or should I stick with loafers altogether?
 

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Thanks @Mallaig and @jischwar

What’s after that? Dieworkwear swears by Edward Green. What’s another brand that’s a little more sporty per se. EG is dressy. I want something that I can wear with pants and jeans. Or should I stick with loafers altogether?
JM Weston 598 or Vass Norweger.
 

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Thanks @Mallaig and @jischwar

What’s after that? Dieworkwear swears by Edward Green. What’s another brand that’s a little more sporty per se. EG is dressy. I want something that I can wear with pants and jeans. Or should I stick with loafers altogether?
Paraboot Avignon?
 

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