SPIER & MACKAY - Official Affiliate Thread

[abantigen]

Looks like Rick hasn't been checking in on this thread lately but here is his response to a 4-year old reddit AMA question regarding working conditions in factories that make SM garments. If I remember correctly they only work with factories in China now.

Both factories that we have partnered with in India and China adhere to all local and international labour laws and inspected regularly through Intertek. Our Chinese partner is ISO certified and requires such certifications for their export permits. I can arrange a list of the certifications from them and report back on the specifics.
Our Indian factory in particular is very interesting. As we only work with 17 tailors, each of a very high skill level, they dictate to the factory what their salary will be, what their hours will be, etc. If their requirements are not met, they simply will leave. We do not employ machine operators. All are highly skilled tailors, each capable of drafting the pattern, cutting, sewing and finishing the shirt on their own. Such is the case, we value them very highly to carry out our work. Some have been with us since we first started.

Not going to lie, when I first heard about SM I was skeptical but once I started trying some items the quality spoke for itself. I think their business model is also obvious enough that poor treatment of work wouldn’t be the first thing I think of when I wonder how they can provide so much value.

Yes the working conditions are probably not as great as first-world countries but I think we can safely say it's not Nike level bad considering tailors are much higher skilled than the average worker making sneakers.

 

[James1051]

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Very nice. Great tie, too. From where did you get it?

Thanks. CT

I have a hard time gauging just how dark this is. At times it looks like a dark grey with only very limited green. Other times, the green stands out more. What's your take on general?

It’s a mix of emerald and charcoal fibers which from a distance looks very dark green. My phone reduces everything to gray shades.

 

[ElliotG]

Can anyone with the Botto high-rise flannels comment on roominess in the thigh/seat and or the "give" of the material? How "comfy" are these pants compared to S&M's worsted contemporary trousers?

 

[DFWWingnut]

I got the green Guabello high rise flannel trousers and they are now my new favorite. Generously cut and nice high rise. I'm thinking of ordering a pair of the Botto's on today's flash sale.

 

[afterthesuit]

Can anyone with the Botto high-rise flannels comment on roominess in the thigh/seat and or the "give" of the material? How "comfy" are these pants compared to S&M's worsted contemporary trousers?

I have the medium brown. They are the best fitting OTR I’ve picked up thigh room wise. Definitely a soft material with decent give.

 

[James1051]

Can anyone with the Botto high-rise flannels comment on roominess in the thigh/seat and or the "give" of the material? How "comfy" are these pants compared to S&M's worsted contemporary trousers?

Can anyone with the Botto high-rise flannels comment on roominess in the thigh/seat and or the "give" of the material? How "comfy" are these pants compared to S&M's worsted contemporary trousers?

Fits just like their hi rise summer weight stuff. Plenty roomy in my normal SM fit.

It’s very comfortable as far as I am concerned. But it is also thick old school flannel so it’s not going to feel like smooth 130s worsted wool. I am ecstatic about the army green Bottos, but I really like thick winter fabrics.

The medium brown sold out in my size in about 2 days or I’d have bagged them too.

 

[FlyingHorker]

That is a possibly fair statement. However, what @Spaghettimatt said was a completely accurate assessment of the discussion so far. Basically, a bunch of non sequiturs and emotional nonsense led us to where we are.

I received my most recent pair of MTM trousers yesterday. I found the price to be fair, and while the fit is good and my instructions were mostly followed, Epstein didn't kill himself.

Damn, I read the whole thing.

u win this round.

 

[RyanChiato]

Can anyone compare the sport coat fit of Spier and Mackays Slim fit to Brooks Bros Milano fit??

 

[Kangnamstyles]

Can anyone compare the sport coat fit of Spier and Mackays Slim fit to Brooks Bros Milano fit??

Milano fit is much slimmer than SM slim Neo cut in size 40. I needed 41 in Milano to not be too tight around the shoulders and the arm holes seem to be higher/slimmer as well.

 

[Spex]

I got the green Guabello high rise flannel trousers and they are now my new favorite. Generously cut and nice high rise. I'm thinking of ordering a pair of the Botto's on today's flash sale.

Are you referring to these?

Guabello - Green - High Rise Fit - Final Sale Spier & Mackay

<p><span>NOTE: These trousers fit true to size and are not vanity sized. Please consult our size chart prior to ordering. In some instances, it is recommended to order one size up for what you typically wear.<br /></span></p> <ul> <li>65% Wool , 35% Cot

www.spierandmackay.com

I bought these during the sale. THe description doesn't say "flannel" however they are like a light-weight flannel. Perfect fall/winter trousers for those of us who like the look but don't need the warmth. They are also a fairly dark colour, so not too dandyish.

 

[RyanChiato]

Milano fit is much slimmer than SM slim Neo cut in size 40. I needed 41 in Milano to not be too tight around the shoulders and the arm holes seem to be higher/slimmer as well.

Appreciate the feedback. At 6’1 170lbs the Milano 40 is a good fit. Guessing I will need a 38 in SM Neo cut

 

[DFWWingnut]

Are you referring to these?

Yes,

Guabello - Green - High Rise Fit - Final Sale Spier & Mackay

<p><span>NOTE: These trousers fit true to size and are not vanity sized. Please consult our size chart prior to ordering. In some instances, it is recommended to order one size up for what you typically wear.<br /></span></p> <ul> <li>65% Wool , 35% Cot

www.spierandmackay.com

I bought these during the sale. THe description doesn't say "flannel" however they are like a light-weight flannel. Perfect fall/winter trousers for those of us who like the look but don't need the warmth. They are also a fairly dark colour, so not too dandyish.
Sorry...they are a flannel (ish) to me. Definitely not worsted but lighter than true single season flannel.

 

[bantone]

Could someone fill me in on the quality of the S&M Turtlenecks and how they feel? Any pictures appreciated.

 

[pickergc]

Cream flannels, neo hopsack, bengal stripe, mustache maint.

 

[MisterrLovely]

Could someone fill me in on the quality of the S&M Turtlenecks and how they feel? Any pictures appreciated.

I have one. They're the same quality level of the other v neck/crew neck sweaters, which are great. Very soft, a trim fit. I would highly reccomend them.