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I love the ESF fit for casual shirts and it’s essential to get a ‘normal’ fit in dress shirts since I have the body of a 15.5” neck with an actual 16” neck.
Same. ESF 16 works very well for me in sport and dress shirts. With shrinkage the 35.5 sleeve is just enough for my long arms.
 

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If anybody is on the fence about the S-22 jackets that are on sale right now, I picked up the green FW22 model last year and it's great.
I got this year's model. I like it, but I wish it was shorter. I pretty much have to wear thicker layers underneath so it doesn't look odd. The jacket was surprisingly thin, so it's more of a style piece than a utility piece, but it does have its place. However, I don't know how this compares to the previous model and I'd be interested in seeing.

However, the style, fabric, and construction is great. With all 9 pockets, I feel like I'm wearing a backpack.
 

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Hello all - has anyone reached out to @spiermackay @SpierTeam yet and received clarification regarding the “Extra Slim Fit” shirts? If not, would someone be so kind to ask Rick via insta and report back? I recently deleted my Instagram, otherwise would gladly do so.

This is quite distressing news. Part of me wonders if the naming conventions are simply changing….? Thanks kindly. Longtime lurker and SM customer here. Made an account just for this.
 
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Does anyone have experience with the knit polo's sizing?

6'1 172lb, trying to decide between a medium and a large. Usually take a 40R in jackets, but like a slim fit on polos.
 

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Does anyone have experience with the knit polo's sizing?

6'1 172lb, trying to decide between a medium and a large. Usually take a 40R in jackets, but like a slim fit on polos.
You're close to my size, and I like a slim fit as well.
I'm a tweener with them. I've mainly ordered mediums and they are perfect new. I wash cold and dry flat and there is just the slightest shrinkage that has me thinking I'll try a large next time to gauge the difference...
 

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Hello all - has anyone reached out to @spiermackay @SpierTeam yet and received clarification regarding the “Extra Slim Fit” shirts? If not, would someone be so kind to ask Rick via insta and report back? I recently deleted my Instagram, otherwise would gladly do so.

This is quite distressing news. Part of me wonders if the naming conventions are simply changing….? Thanks kindly. Longtime lurker and SM customer here. Made an account just for this.
Can't find his Insta and the S&M insta has never replied to me. Messaged on FB
 

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Hello all - has anyone reached out to @spiermackay @SpierTeam yet and received clarification regarding the “Extra Slim Fit” shirts? If not, would someone be so kind to ask Rick via insta and report back? I recently deleted my Instagram, otherwise would gladly do so.

This is quite distressing news. Part of me wonders if the naming conventions are simply changing….? Thanks kindly. Longtime lurker and SM customer here. Made an account just for this.
Got a reply from CS email. Some not-so-good news:


Hi _____,

Thank you for reaching out to us. We have phased out extra slim as an option for a variety of our off the rack shirts. I am personally not sure the exact reason as to why this decision was made, but we do phase out or introduce specific sizes/fits based on popularity and customer demand/sales. Extra slim is still available as an option through our Custom/MTO shirt program.

I hope this helps and please let me know if you have any other questions.



May not be able to do much shopping from S&M anymore :confused:
 

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With the caveats that I’m going to set it on a different (better) hanger, actually take measurements (I’m usually not a fanatic about it unless things seem WAY off), and snap some on body photos for perspective, it seems my fear might have been confirmed that the Di Pray W/S SC was nottttttt exactly put through the most rigorous QC review…
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Got a reply from CS email. Some not-so-good news:


Hi _____,

Thank you for reaching out to us. We have phased out extra slim as an option for a variety of our off the rack shirts. I am personally not sure the exact reason as to why this decision was made, but we do phase out or introduce specific sizes/fits based on popularity and customer demand/sales. Extra slim is still available as an option through our Custom/MTO shirt program.

I hope this helps and please let me know if you have any other questions.



May not be able to do much shopping from S&M anymore :confused:
I sent an IG message to Rick. I am hoping the CS agent is just guessing about this. A reduction in this fit is better than discontinuing the ESF altogether.
 

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I sent an IG message to Rick. I am hoping the CS agent is just guessing about this. A reduction in this fit is better than discontinuing the ESF altogether.
This seems like a misguided move. Every retailer in this price/quality bracket (CT, SuSu, etc.) was racing to develop a competitive “extra slim fit” within the last ~6 years. It is not as though the demographic that this was serving has disappeared. I too hope the CS rep is wrong.
 

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This seems like a misguided move. Every retailer in this price/quality bracket (CT, SuSu, etc.) was racing to develop a competitive “extra slim fit” within the last ~6 years. It is not as though the demographic that this was serving has disappeared. I too hope the CS rep is wrong.
Agree with you 100%.
At SM retail the purple label shirts are a good value.
If I have to go custom fit with SM I have faster options and much better stitching quality elsewhere.
Basic sewing thread tension, appropriate SFI, accurate pattern matching and shrinkage would need to be greatly improved for the price of custom from SM.
 

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Got a reply from CS email. Some not-so-good news:


Hi _____,

Thank you for reaching out to us. We have phased out extra slim as an option for a variety of our off the rack shirts. I am personally not sure the exact reason as to why this decision was made, but we do phase out or introduce specific sizes/fits based on popularity and customer demand/sales. Extra slim is still available as an option through our Custom/MTO shirt program.

I hope this helps and please let me know if you have any other questions.



May not be able to do much shopping from S&M anymore :confused:
My response from CS on IG just now was that ESF was reduced but not discontinued. I asked for more purple label ESF options. Looks like there will be offerings for Fall 23 but probably not as many as the past seasons.
 

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My response from CS on IG just now was that ESF was reduced but not discontinued. I asked for more purple label ESF options. Looks like there will be offerings for Fall 23 but probably not as many as the past seasons.
Thanks. Still disappointing to hear, but I would love some purple lapel options. I guess we now know that when esf is available, grab them fast.
 

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My response from CS on IG just now was that ESF was reduced but not discontinued. I asked for more purple label ESF options. Looks like there will be offerings for Fall 23 but probably not as many as the past seasons.
Well…it’s not the worst news. I STRONGLY encourage @spiermackay @SpierTeam to, at minimum, continue to stock staples like the purple label Oxfords and others in the ESF.

Otherwise, it’s back to SuSu for me if ESF staples are not available OTR. I am immensely disappointed, however, as I recently converted to SM shirts (at the encouragement of Rick via my old insta, and others) and I was pleased to continue using them as my primary shirt retailer. Too bad.
 

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