SPIER & MACKAY - Official Affiliate Thread

[7_rocket]

Higher rise regular chinos with belt loops I'm assuming?

 

[spiermackay]

Higher rise regular chinos with belt loops I'm assuming?

First group is high rise, single pleat with Side tabs. But our Chino fabric.

Interested in high rise, flat front with loops?

 

[7_rocket]

First group is high rise, single pleat with Side tabs. But our Chino fabric.

Interested in high rise, flat front with loops?

I'm sure that would sell easily but I'm a simple man. Just want a well fitting chino, flat front with belt loops. I dress casually now . Not sure of your average customer buys single pleats with side adjusters? I know they are beloved on here. Which is completely fine.

Edit - yes interested in high rise flat front with loops

 

[IKant]

When can we expect this to happen?

hahaha....let me add this. I own a few Liverano jackets and I feel like the armholes are not even as high as say my Ring Jacket or Orazio jackets. Few people would say that Liverano isn't a beautiful jacket. So, I am not sure if sometimes we look to check these boxes that we are told to check....beveled waist, check....high armhole....check.....high waist...check...and falsely extend the trajectory of the logic, i.e, the higher, the more beveled, the better, instead of judging an article of clothing on its entire aesthetics? John Lobb doesn't make a beveled waist on its rtw shoes and it's slim enough and to me and they are gorgeous shoes. I guess I am saying, I look at the S&M jacket and I think they are fabulous the way they are. I am not sure if paying $200 more for a few cm in armhole tightness is a good thing for everyone.

 

[JayDee90]

First group is high rise, single pleat with Side tabs. But our Chino fabric.

Interested in high rise, flat front with loops?

What would be the difference between this and the current (quest) cotton trousers? Just the fabric? Lower price point?

 

[losrockets]

I think higher rise casual chinos with belt loops would be great. I think they work with pleats too (I prefer forward but I know it's hard to sell otr, okay w reverse). Not a fan of side tabs most of the time.

And I'm looking forward to a higher armhole. I have an Mtm template on file but grab a few rtw pieces each season and the lower armhole frustrates me. I have a few Cavour mod 2 jackets and the armhole is slightly higher, which makes a huge difference in comfort for me. I will say that I still prefer the overall cut of S&M Neo (longer length, wider shoulder) to Cavour though.

 

[spiermackay]

What would be the difference between this and the current (quest) cotton trousers? Just the fabric? Lower price point?

Yes. Fabric is very different. The Quest cotton is polished and dressy. Great to wear with tailoring or for a polished casual look, say with a cotton knit polo (?).

The Chino is the same fabric as the regular chino. A little more casual and substantial.

 

[DonRaphael]

hahaha....let me add this. I own a few Liverano jackets and I feel like the armholes are not even as high as say my Ring Jacket or Orazio jackets. Few people would say that Liverano isn't a beautiful jacket. So, I am not sure if sometimes we look to check these boxes that we are told to check....beveled waist, check....high armhole....check.....high waist...check...and falsely extend the trajectory of the logic, i.e, the higher, the more beveled, the better, instead of judging an article of clothing on its entire aesthetics? John Lobb doesn't make a beveled waist on its rtw shoes and it's slim enough and to me and they are gorgeous shoes. I guess I am saying, I look at the S&M jacket and I think they are fabulous the way they are. I am not sure if paying $200 more for a few cm in armhole tightness is a good thing for everyone.

I love my S&M jackets the way they are. But I also have a couple of jackets with higher armholes that I enjoy as well, one of them being from Orazio actually. While I think that Orazio's armholes are on the higher end of the spectrum, I do believe that S&M would benefit from a tad higher armholes. As I said, I truly enjoy my S&M jackets, but sometimes when lifting my arms to the sides, I can't but feel that the jacket would benefit from a higher armhole.

With that being said, would I pay $200 more for a higher armhole? Probably not. But a higher price wasn't mentioned by S&M. So until that is the case, I'm assuming the price is going to stay the same. And if that's the case, I'll gladly embrace a higher armhole, be it 0,5cm.

 

[Stylewords]

First group is high rise, single pleat with Side tabs. But our Chino fabric.

Interested in high rise, flat front with loops?

Have to take back my initial excitement. With the regular chino material, I'd only be interested in high rise, flat front with loops.

 

[IKant]

I love my S&M jackets the way they are. But I also have a couple of jackets with higher armholes that I enjoy as well, one of them being from Orazio actually. While I think that Orazio's armholes are on the higher end of the spectrum, I do believe that S&M would benefit from a tad higher armholes. As I said, I truly enjoy my S&M jackets, but sometimes when lifting my arms to the sides, I can't but feel that the jacket would benefit from a higher armhole.

With that being said, would i pay $200 more for a higher armhole? Probably not. But a higher price wasn't mentioned by S&M. So until that is the case, I'm assuming the price is going to stay the same. And if that's the case, il gladly embrace a higher armhole, be it 0,5cm.

Fair enough, but that is the question that's neither been asked nor answered. If a lower armhole is designed to fit more customers, thereby keeping the sales volume high, despite lower margins because of the lower price, then a higher armhole will likely mean a higher price, unless S&M is willing to eat the difference - putting itself into competition with other companies that don't depend on higher volumes. As stated by some others here, Cavour and Natalino both have higher armholes and the price is likely appropriately reflected - a few hundred more I believe. Ring Jacket and Orazio, Attolini all come in at least a thousand+ more retail. But we agree that S&M makes a very nice jacket at a better than nice price.

 

[Potatoe]

I think higher rise casual chinos with belt loops would be great.

A high rise "casual" chino doesn't make sense to me.

High rise pants look kind of silly with out a jacket, so why would there be a desire for the casual chino to be high waisted?

 

[Litigation Cures All]

@spiermackay
What kind of buttons are your casual trousers made with? Is it horn or nut or just plastic?

 

[spiermackay]

Have to take back my initial excitement. With the regular chino material, I'd only be interested in high rise, flat front with loops.

We haven't cut yet. So?....who else..

 

[schraiber]

We haven't cut yet. So?....who else..

I'd love to see basically your normal flat front, belt loop chinos with a higher rise!

 

[orange fury]

Yes. Fabric is very different. The Quest cotton is polished and dressy. Great to wear with tailoring or for a polished casual look, say with a cotton knit polo (?).

The Chino is the same fabric as the regular chino. A little more casual and substantial.

i have 2 pairs on order, but I’m curious- I assume they’re dry clean only due to construction?