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ericgereghty

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i was waiting for that weight to get added too. almost suspicious that the number came in at 260, which i think would be the fabric weight by square meter of a fabric whose weight by linear meter is in the ~ 360-370g range (assuming an approx 1.4 m wide fabric). i think i saw a wayward post from #MenswearGuy back before he was objectively famous that put the conversion rate around that number for some other mill that did this when i was trying to run down something similar that confused me, though i'm sure that's not a universal number even if i'm remembering correctly (big if). having said that, there is a comment on this page that hit on a google search i just ran for this issue suggesting something similar for spence bryson specifically: https://www.permanentstyle.com/2018/05/the-guide-to-linen.html

based on the above i'd probably be willing to bet that the posted 260g is correct, literally, but not the unit we're used to using for comparison's sake. it probably sits in the 360-370 range which is not wildly thicc but decidedly in a range i'd have interest in. would love to hear any insight any others would like to add on to my wild speculation though

I was browsing the Baird McNutt catalog the other day and was shocked to learn that their tailoring fabrics are 228 and 270 gsm respectively (it does indicate gSm). I'm familiar with both of these bunches and would consider both heavyweight, but the provided weights don't really correspond to how they wear apparently. Confusing matters even more, another affiliate vendor has linen tailoring from what I assume is Baird McNutt Glenariff. It's listed on Baird's site as 270 but on the vendor's fabric info as 400 gsm (which actually sounds right). All this to say that I don't understand what's going on with linen weight in general.
So, CS confirmed the above: "Apologies for the delay the copywriter had to go through their notes provided from the mill to find that information. They let me know that all of these products use the same type of fabric from Spence Bryson, with a weight of 260 grams/metre. The website copy should be updated to reflect this information shortly."

However, I hadn't considered the above terminology disconnect as pertains to SB, which does track with the aforementioned discussion and, based on the explicit "heavier weight" callout, I'm inclined to think that may be right and Spier's copyright team may not be hip to the nuance. I can't imagine thinking a 9oz linen as heavy.

So, what do we think: should I be the guinea pig and test out our hypothesis?

And, happily enough, it seems gatekeeping fabric weight is no longer an official policy, so kudos to SM for heeding the whining from us weirdos!
 

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People: We want product photos to better display the products! Please S&M listen!
Also people when they start doing what people asked:
these model photos making me not want to buy anything :(

No wonder S&M isn’t on here anymore, there’s no winning. Yes the styling may not be great, but at least they’re trying to show you the garment on.
 

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People: We want product photos to better display the products! Please S&M listen!
Also people when they start doing what people asked:


No wonder S&M isn’t on here anymore, there’s no winning. Yes the styling may not be great, but at least they’re trying to show you the garment on.

Ok I really not looking at the styling it doesn’t matter … how the product is draping, how the images look in front of the background, I don’t know if it is heavily edited or something but just doesn’t look real and this is the preview photo before you actually open up the product (which does improve the situation). I know they are trying to improve the site and kudos for them on this major step.
 

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People: We want product photos to better display the products! Please S&M listen!
Also people when they start doing what people asked:


No wonder S&M isn’t on here anymore, there’s no winning. Yes the styling may not be great, but at least they’re trying to show you the garment on.
You want them to get credit for doing something really, really badly that thousands of other clothing sellers do well?
 

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Ok I really not looking at the styling it doesn’t matter … how the product is draping, how the images look in front of the background, I don’t know if it is heavily edited or something but just doesn’t look real and this is the preview photo before you actually open up the product (which does improve the situation). I know they are trying to improve the site and kudos for them on this major step.

I had been wanting the site to add photos of how their clothes look when actually worn, but they honestly don't look that great. I can't tell if that's just how their suits are supposed to look, or if the model is wearing a suit that's too big for them.
 

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I had been wanting the site to add photos of how their clothes look when actually worn, but they honestly don't look that great. I can't tell if that's just how their suits are supposed to look, or if the model is wearing a suit that's too big for them.

Spier sportcoats pants and suits are my favorite. I have been essentially phasing out all my wardrobe to spier stuff in the last couple of years. They look amazing in my opinion when worn but of course it differs from one person to another. I would say if you haven’t tried them before give it a shot, excellent value for money. I don’t understand why the model photos look like this …
 

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Also, holy crap does Spier make more money more than I think? I mean the way they're rolling out more and more designs to recycle trends from 2-3 years ago rather than investing in good photography and volume production for a core collection of staple and seasonal fabrics/cuts, it just doesn't seem like they're worried about not selling through multiple entirely new designs until deep clearance season. (venting at seeing forward pleated trousers only to realize there's a hollywood waistband that nobody asked for)
 

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Ordered myself a pair of the sand colored all-linen Hollywood trousers during the recent sale. Was interested in them for a while - sale pushed me to go for it...plus the impending Spring/Summer sunshine.

I expect I'll get them in about 10 days or so.

Anyone have any IRL pics wearing these?

 

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So, CS confirmed the above: "Apologies for the delay the copywriter had to go through their notes provided from the mill to find that information. They let me know that all of these products use the same type of fabric from Spence Bryson, with a weight of 260 grams/metre. The website copy should be updated to reflect this information shortly."

However, I hadn't considered the above terminology disconnect as pertains to SB, which does track with the aforementioned discussion and, based on the explicit "heavier weight" callout, I'm inclined to think that may be right and Spier's copyright team may not be hip to the nuance. I can't imagine thinking a 9oz linen as heavy.

So, what do we think: should I be the guinea pig and test out our hypothesis?

And, happily enough, it seems gatekeeping fabric weight is no longer an official policy, so kudos to SM for heeding the whining from us weirdos!
Ok, I'll be the lab rat. Will report back findings whenever it arrives.
 

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Ok, I'll be the lab rat. Will report back findings whenever it arrives.
so I like the color of this suit but did not buy based on one of the member's comments on the weight.
This suit has a weight of 235 and they describe it as spring summer lightweight, and the one you are referring to from Spencer is 260 and described as heavier weight 3 seasons. It is gotta be heavier. keep us posted

 

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Spier sportcoats pants and suits are my favorite. I have been essentially phasing out all my wardrobe to spier stuff in the last couple of years. They look amazing in my opinion when worn but of course it differs from one person to another. I would say if you haven’t tried them before give it a shot, excellent value for money. I don’t understand why the model photos look like this …
Good to see you back on here Rick.
 

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