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I’ve never understood the appeal of button fly pants. I probably piss 10 times a day and I’m not looking to deal with a button fly like that
Cloth shrinks and zippers don't, which can lead to puckering and other strangeness. Also, even quality zippers fail, and they're a pain to replace. The cons are as you say.
 

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Cloth shrinks and zippers don't, which can lead to puckering and other strangeness. Also, even quality zippers fail, and they're a pain to replace. The cons are as you say.

Makes sense from a sartorial perspective, but from a utilitarian perspective... I just can't get on board. I've owned one pair of button fly trousers in my life and I got rid of them because of the annoyance. I'd like to buy some nice denim, but it seems like almost all high quality pairs of jeans are made with button flies.
 

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I’ve never understood the appeal of button fly pants. I probably piss 10 times a day and I’m not looking to deal with a button fly like that

Cloth shrinks and zippers don't, which can lead to puckering and other strangeness. Also, even quality zippers fail, and they're a pain to replace. The cons are as you say.
Definitely pros and cons, but I prefer em. I find them more comfortable for some reason and more longevity.
 

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Can anyone with the Magee brown red check polo coat post fit pics and comment on sizing and color IRL? I’m thinking of picking one up while the sale is on. TIA.
 

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And the award for worst styling of the S/S new drops goes to …

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Why do all these pants look like sausage casings? I hope to god mine don't look like that to other people and that it's just they're all wearing pants that are too small for them.

This fit is nothing amazing but I think it looks fine, if someone was dressed exactly like this I doubt anyone would think they look bad. For fun, why not post a better fit pic, eh?
 

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the newly posted navy clissold suit was originally posted with a clissold title and tag but all the copy type referenced minnis fresco instead and it reflected 280 gsm instead of 310 gsm fabric weight. was fixed at some point overnight or this morning.

it looks like general consensus is that the clissold fabric used by spier (i assume a crispaire) breathes a little less well than minnis fresco. presumably it breathes better than a traditional super hundreds etc. i know 2-3 regular posters here have a spier version of the clissold fabric from SS23. curious whether anyone would care to quantify those differences even if only anecdotally or otherwise provide some data points (e.g. humid days preference for fresco // temperature above X degrees too hot for either/both // both too airy for cold weather // dude just stick with linen, etc).

i have historically gone all in on linen suiting for spring summer because i am a weirdo and have been able to get away with it, but while i remain a weirdo i probably can't get away with linen for my summer suiting needs quite so extensively moving forward. soaking up all the anecdotal data i can find within one page of google search results but fully expecting to just buy some stuff and figure it out for myself and then buy some more stuff, etc etc on into the distance.
 

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All things being equal, I prefer Minnis and don't LOVE the Clissord/Crispaire whatever we want to call it.

I have a non-SM suit in Crispaire (which is allegedly the same, but suppose there could be minor differences), and I find the Crispaire a bit less gritty/more fluid. Perhaps a bit less porous, but you won't notice a dramatic IRT breathability I don't think. General consensus seems to be that it is a bit less wrinkle resistant, relative to fresco. I haven't put the trousers through its paces enough yet to say, but the fluidity in my mind lends some credence to it.

I wish SM would have just cranked out a few mohair blend Fresco full canvas pieces instead. Alas, I'm a whiner, it seems.

and, speaking of linen, REALLY wish that denim Leomaster would have been a Neo cut. That would have made for an A+ fuckabout suit.
 

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the newly posted navy clissold suit was originally posted with a clissold title and tag but all the copy type referenced minnis fresco instead and it reflected 280 gsm instead of 310 gsm fabric weight. was fixed at some point overnight or this morning.

it looks like general consensus is that the clissold fabric used by spier (i assume a crispaire) breathes a little less well than minnis fresco. presumably it breathes better than a traditional super hundreds etc. i know 2-3 regular posters here have a spier version of the clissold fabric from SS23. curious whether anyone would care to quantify those differences even if only anecdotally or otherwise provide some data points (e.g. humid days preference for fresco // temperature above X degrees too hot for either/both // both too airy for cold weather // dude just stick with linen, etc).

i have historically gone all in on linen suiting for spring summer because i am a weirdo and have been able to get away with it, but while i remain a weirdo i probably can't get away with linen for my summer suiting needs quite so extensively moving forward. soaking up all the anecdotal data i can find within one page of google search results but fully expecting to just buy some stuff and figure it out for myself and then buy some more stuff, etc etc on into the distance.

I live in New Orleans, so the performance of various fabrics matters a lot to me during the summer months.

I picked up the navy Clissold suit and a grey Minnis Fresco-Lite suit last summer. I would say that the Minnis wears slightly cooler, but not necessarily all that noticeably all things considered. If you're wearing a suit with shirt and tie in the dead of summer here, it's going to be hot if you're not inside in AC. A brief foray into the heat is bearable, certainly moreso if there's a breeze, but if you're outside for any lenght of time you'll be a little damp.

I think both are fine year round here, with the Clissold feeling like it might be better in slightly cooler temps due to the heavier weight, but any sort of breeze and you'll definitely feel it. I wore the Clissold to a wedding in San Francisco in Oct (outside, early evening) and was happy that I had brought a light overcoat as the temps dipped down into the 60s and a light breeze picked up.

The Clissold drapes better than the Minnis, but probably is because it's heavier weight. Both have a the characteristic rough hand of high twist wool, but the Clissold is scratchier. Not uncomfortable to wear, but noticeable.

In the dead of the summer I'd be inclined to reach for the lighter weight Minnis over the Clissold, but they're both fine and I probably wear them equally for the variety.
 

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Hi all, I ordered the navy chalk stripe flannel suit a few days ago. Opted out of paying taxes and duties, as the cost was under Australian Customs’ $1K threshold, and there should not have been any taxes or duties whatsoever.

Read a few posts from users with similar experiences… Has anyone received a reply from S&M as to why the calculations are apparently erroneous, and whether they intend to fix this?
 

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I live in New Orleans, so the performance of various fabrics matters a lot to me during the summer months.

I picked up the navy Clissold suit and a grey Minnis Fresco-Lite suit last summer. I would say that the Minnis wears slightly cooler, but not necessarily all that noticeably all things considered. If you're wearing a suit with shirt and tie in the dead of summer here, it's going to be hot if you're not inside in AC. A brief foray into the heat is bearable, certainly moreso if there's a breeze, but if you're outside for any lenght of time you'll be a little damp.

I think both are fine year round here, with the Clissold feeling like it might be better in slightly cooler temps due to the heavier weight, but any sort of breeze and you'll definitely feel it. I wore the Clissold to a wedding in San Francisco in Oct (outside, early evening) and was happy that I had brought a light overcoat as the temps dipped down into the 60s and a light breeze picked up.

The Clissold drapes better than the Minnis, but probably is because it's heavier weight. Both have a the characteristic rough hand of high twist wool, but the Clissold is scratchier. Not uncomfortable to wear, but noticeable.

In the dead of the summer I'd be inclined to reach for the lighter weight Minnis over the Clissold, but they're both fine and I probably wear them equally for the variety.
If you live in New Orleans, nothing will work for you. Best you can do is some lightweight open weave high twist fabric in an unconstructed jacket in light colors
 

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