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The whole thing seems odd to me! Can someone explain the appeal of a button down that's made out of pique cotton instead of just getting a long sleeve polo?
Similar but its knit, not woven like the LS polos, so should stretch more I would think?
 

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Just got my Neo MTO suit I mentioned last week back from the tailor. Pictured here with a SM light blue/sky blue fine twill shirt, and Drakes tie. Don't laugh if you see me post a version of this outfit Friday, as I may wear something similar for work. A couple of thoughts...

-This was made in the new Neo cut, in size 38L contemporary

-The fabric I used is found here: https://www.spierandmackay.com/product/medium-gray-10005-0012-2152-mto-s

- I can see I'm going to really enjoy wearing this suit. It's cut and fits better than the Cavendish. Shocker, yes. But such was the impetus for me seeking this MTO.

-Yes, besom pockets on business suits for the foreseeable future.

-This suit is elegant in its simplicity. It puts me in the mind of Italian conservative business attire, which is the aesthetic I aspire to strike for more formal leaning occasions. Examples can be found here and here.

-The drape? So far, so good. Will see how it performs after wearing it for a couple hours on Friday.

-The weight feels apt for the climate I occupy. It can be worn year-round. I thought it was going to be on the light and skimpy side, but naw, the fabric has presence.

-Lastly and most importantly, absolutely nothing compares to wearing a suit. Reading the last couple of pages, I hear the arguments advancing the notion the CM is on the decline. However, I'm not so sure I see any strong evidence of that. The streetwear section of my closet is deep: Jordan 3s black cement, multiple OG AJ1s, All Saints, and so on, to name a few. But the feeling I get when wearing a suit or sportcoat and trews is far away and above anything I get when wearing streetwear. Not to mention, how I carry myself and how people respond to me are other reasons I frequently reach for CM on the day-to-day vs. streetwear. This is not to say that I don't enjoy wearing streetwear. But it is to highlight that there is something vastly different that goes on psychologically and sociologically when wearing a nice suit that I'm not sure can be achieved with streetwear.

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This suit looks awesome on you! I hereby recant all my previous statements in this thread about the decline of business formal attire.
 

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The whole thing seems odd to me! Can someone explain the appeal of a button down that's made out of pique cotton instead of just getting a long sleeve polo?
I accumulated quite a few of these over the years back when my office first started doing business casual attire. The appeal to me used to be that, if you don't look too close, it appears to be a normal button down dress shirt, but feels like a polo. So I could wear one of these with a sport coat and get the comfort of wearing a polo while looking like I was wearing a button down dress shirt without a tie. Now that my office has gone casual enough that long sleeve polos are fine, I can't justify picking up any more of these because, as you say, a long sleeve polo makes more sense.

While I probably won't be picking up any more of these, it's making me hopeful that maybe Spier will have more comfort-minded business attire coming during their F/W drops.
 

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I accumulated quite a few of these over the years back when my office first started doing business casual attire. The appeal to me used to be that, if you don't look too close, it appears to be a normal button down dress shirt, but feels like a polo. So I could wear one of these with a sport coat and get the comfort of wearing a polo while looking like I was wearing a button down dress shirt without a tie. Now that my office has gone casual enough that long sleeve polos are fine, I can't justify picking up any more of these because, as you say, a long sleeve polo makes more sense.

While I probably won't be picking up any more of these, it's making me hopeful that maybe Spier will have more comfort-minded business attire coming during their F/W drops.
It's all about tshirts and polos now. More comfort + deformalize the biz suits we have too many of. I probably won't ever buy a buttondown again in this lifetime.

 

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Hard to keep up with the pace of this thread... but according to Rick on IG images are correct and accurate.

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And are very close shades.
huh that's an odd one. i really wish they would have some pictures of the denim on a mannequin or a model or something. not quite sure if i need a contemporary or a slim for the denim.
 

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Just got my Neo MTO suit I mentioned last week back from the tailor. Pictured here with a SM light blue/sky blue fine twill shirt, and Drakes tie. Don't laugh if you see me post a version of this outfit Friday, as I may wear something similar for work. A couple of thoughts...

-This was made in the new Neo cut, in size 38L contemporary

-The fabric I used is found here: https://www.spierandmackay.com/product/medium-gray-10005-0012-2152-mto-s

- I can see I'm going to really enjoy wearing this suit. It's cut and fits better than the Cavendish. Shocker, yes. But such was the impetus for me seeking this MTO.

-Yes, besom pockets on business suits for the foreseeable future.

-This suit is elegant in its simplicity. It puts me in the mind of Italian conservative business attire, which is the aesthetic I aspire to strike for more formal leaning occasions. Examples can be found here and here.

-The drape? So far, so good. Will see how it performs after wearing it for a couple hours on Friday.

-The weight feels apt for the climate I occupy. It can be worn year-round. I thought it was going to be on the light and skimpy side, but naw, the fabric has presence.

-Lastly and most importantly, absolutely nothing compares to wearing a suit. Reading the last couple of pages, I hear the arguments advancing the notion the CM is on the decline. However, I'm not so sure I see any strong evidence of that. The streetwear section of my closet is deep: Jordan 3s black cement, multiple OG AJ1s, All Saints, and so on, to name a few. But the feeling I get when wearing a suit or sportcoat and trews is far away and above anything I get when wearing streetwear. Not to mention, how I carry myself and how people respond to me are other reasons I frequently reach for CM on the day-to-day vs. streetwear. This is not to say that I don't enjoy wearing streetwear. But it is to highlight that there is something vastly different that goes on psychologically and sociologically when wearing a nice suit that I'm not sure can be achieved with streetwear.

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Well done as always! I’m curious, what alterations did your tailor end up having to do?
 

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Well done as always! I’m curious, what alterations did your tailor end up having to do?
Many thanks, my friend. He just did cuffs, hem, and brace buttons. I have more success when he does these because his eye is so good and his skill is amazing. I don’t trust myself to try and get the dynamics of hem, break, and cuff right through inputting numbers into a system.
 

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if that
I agree but it doesn't stop the fact that CM is in decline.
if that's actually true, then how to you explain all the new mtm suit companies that have popped up in the last eight or nine years? That's the one i always get stuck on
 

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if that

if that's actually true, then how to you explain all the new mtm suit companies that have popped up in the last eight or nine years? That's the one i always get stuck on
We don’t need to wonder or try to explain or get stuck on anything. There is actual consumer data available that shows steady YOY declines in consumer spending on tailored clothing, even pre-pandemic, as athleisure sales spiked.
 

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I have two DBs from S&M and they're fairly balanced in my opinion. Without the curved quarters you'd get on a sb sportcoat the jacket certainly can look and feel longer. I wonder what @wilcthree would say about it.
I agree the DBs SM dropped from SS ‘21 onward are fairly balanced. I own two from that drop, the serge and the di Fabio, both in 38L contemporary. I wear both of them off the rack without any alterations. The serge seems to balance just enough drape in the chest, with a easy-going, spalls camacia shoulder, and a very subtle shaping of the waist achieved through its cut. For me, this produces a nice silhouette on the DB and I haven’t notice any skirt flaring.
 

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It's all about tshirts and polos now. More comfort + deformalize the biz suits we have too many of. I probably won't ever buy a buttondown again in this lifetime.

Personally I think you’re missing a point here. This guy could be wearing the ugliest shirt there is, he’s a good looking guy in reasonably good shape. That’s probably why clothes look okay if not good on him that would look ugly in 99% of the people that don’t look after their bodies. This is like watching the sopranos, great clothing and all but you can see how some characters pull off looks simply because they’re good looking
 

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