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Should we do Side Tabs or Belt Loops on High-Rise Moleskin Trousers?

  • Side Tabs

    Votes: 130 69.9%
  • Belt Loops

    Votes: 56 30.1%

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Click821

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Need some fit advice. Im a 38R in the Havana SuitSupply with no need for tailoring. In the neopolitan cut in the same size would a good fit out of the box?
 

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Need some fit advice. Im a 38R in the Havana SuitSupply with no need for tailoring. In the neopolitan cut in the same size would a good fit out of the box?
Same size in contemporary would need a tiny bit taken in at the waist. Neapolitan is supposed to be a slightly fuller cut as is.

Slim is a little slimmer overall compared to the Havana.
 

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The armholes on the linen should be the same as on the wools. The only thing adjusted was the shoulder width by 2 cm. On a 40, the armhole height from the centre back should be 27 cm, which is fairly standard and considered a higher armhole. You may have got something off spec. Send it back.

Linen is notoriously difficult to work with, it shifts around a lot in the machine and has a tendency to stretch under the needle. Linen will never fit the same as wool unfortunately unless we add some stretch.
I'm glad to hear that you haven't deliberately lowered them from the wools. You've added a bit of room in the chest and waist as well, no? Will you be using the same shoulder width and general pattern as the wools for upcoming FW field jackets, or are these linens the new standard? 27 cm armholes on size 40 sounds very reasonable. A lot more reasonable than 29 on my size 36, which appears to be an unfortunate off spec product then.

Good to have you back, btw. The thread is much better when you're participating. Will you be adding field jackets to the new MTO outerwear selection?

Alright, here’s a data point on the Safari jacket (ignore the super-elegant Lululemon shorts and Margaritaville t-shirt). Reminder that I normally wear 38L contemporary or 38R contemporary Neo, I’m a 38” chest, 32” waist, 34.5” sleeve, 15” neck, and 5’11”/155. This jacket is a 38:
The armholes look okay here, but I'd have to agree that the jacket itself probably isn't the best look for you. A bit shapeless and sloppy, and the color, belt and length combines to make it a bit much. I personally feel that the field jacket looks much better than the safari and blends into a modern wardrobe much easier. Provided that it fits well and the color isn't too attention grabbing. The safari needs to be expertly paired and fit near flawlessly to avoid looking a bit affected and costumey, imo.
 

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Yeppers. Many people still stuck in "skinny" fit mentality.
For me it's the seat really more than the thighs (too much kettlebells). An athletic fit would be great but I don't think there'd be enough demand to justify it outside of an MTO pattern maybe.
 

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Hi Rick, do you know what the deal is with the Fox Air suits? For some reason they don't seem to be showing up on the website anymore! Thanks
 

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Same size in contemporary would need a tiny bit taken in at the waist. Neapolitan is supposed to be a slightly fuller cut as is.

Slim is a little slimmer overall compared to the Havana.
Yeah this is exactly my experience. Havana sits right between slim and contemporary in the same size
 

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I'm glad to hear that you haven't deliberately lowered them from the wools. You've added a bit of room in the chest and waist as well, no? Will you be using the same shoulder width and general pattern as the wools for upcoming FW field jackets, or are these linens the new standard? 27 cm armholes on size 40 sounds very reasonable. A lot more reasonable than 29 on my size 36, which appears to be an unfortunate off spec product then.

Good to have you back, btw. The thread is much better when you're participating. Will you be adding field jackets to the new MTO outerwear selection?



The armholes look okay here, but I'd have to agree that the jacket itself probably isn't the best look for you. A bit shapeless and sloppy, and the color, belt and length combines to make it a bit much. I personally feel that the field jacket looks much better than the safari and blends into a modern wardrobe much easier. Provided that it fits well and the color isn't too attention grabbing. The safari needs to be expertly paired and fit near flawlessly to avoid looking a bit affected and costumey, imo.
agreed on it not being the best look for me, I actually decided to go ahead and return it later this week. I found something else that will be more useful for me that I went ahead and placed an order for
 

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To pile onto this - Slim and Extra Slim chinos in high rise (10.5"-11") and you would be catering to so many people that are without a solid standby! I would LOVE this. Wore the slim high rise dress trousers for my wedding and fell in love with the fit, and instantly wished I could get the same with a chino.
High rise casual chinos would be an insta buy for me.
 

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Wow. So they’ve been sitting in your closet for a year untailored?! What’s the hold up?!
Sport coat from S/S18 still unused and in need of tailoring, lol
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Well just received my caramel corduroy and light brown frescos including hemming. Have to say I’m quite disappointed with the hemming service, a very subpar result. I guess you get what you pay for though.

The light brown Guabello’s are what my tailor here in Australia does for reference and comparison. Needless to say he was also not impressed with them and fortunately for me the S&M “tailors” didn’t cut any of the original length and he’ll be able to fix them.

Trousers themselves are fantastic and no complaints. Quality is top notch as expected from S&M at an unbeatable price. The frescoes are even lighter than expected, but seem to hold a crease reasonably well. The corduroy is a nice weight and should be a good autumn/winter trouser here in Aus.
Thought I’d just update on this for those considering using the S&M hemming service. I’ve just received back my trousers after being taken to my tailor to be hemmed properly after the butcher job S&M tailors did and they’re absolutely perfect now. Although my tailor is twice the cost of S&M hemming service, I can safely say it’s worth the money after these results compared to what I originally got so if you’re unsure and have a good tailor I’d suggest sticking to them. Although more expensive I’m guaranteed a quality tailor job and am supporting a local business as well.

Fabric, cut and fit is outstanding.This makes my fourth and fifth pairs of S&M trousers and can definitely see myself buying a hell of a lot more. Really nothing else compares for the price and nice details you get (high rise, reverse pleat, extended waistband, side adjusters).
 

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Really? For example the 34 already has a 27.5" thigh, that's in line with most competitors in this space.
For me, personally, the best OTR trouser I've found is Natalino. Their sizing on a 34 (after converting cm to inch and doing the math) show 27.2" in the thigh circumference. But oddly enough, even compared to the latest batch of flannels & covert twills I purchased, they fit significantly roomier. I can't explain it
 

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