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Cool, I'd definitely get the off-watch cuff slimmer than OTR. Unsure what one-piece or Cooper collars are, but I am guessing they'd be more suited for the dress shirts rather than casual, no?
Too lazy to find pics of the one-piece collar.

Cooper collar is a form of a one-piece collar where even the placket and collar are one piece. If anything, it's best suited for casual due to lack of collar button. One below is from Deo Veritas.

 

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I guess I don't really get what they are going for with their pants, since their contemporary feels to me very much like a slim compared to just about anything else I own. I went up three inches in order to get enough room in the seat and thighs, and I found that to be no problem in the taking in of the waist. Yours look a touch small in the seat (with pockets pulling a bit) even on the size up? That's exactly what happened with me. I suppose I wish they offered 'extra slim', then 'slim', then 'classic'. I'd have thought the classic cut was gaining traction these days!
I guess it’s all relative. I would personally consider S&M slim fit as an extra slim fit and S&M contemporary fit as a slim fit. I’m sure others may think the S&M slim fit is baggy. I also under the difficulties in having more than two pant fits as a small company. It is what it is. S&M still has lots of wonderful items that I can fit. Once they get bigger maybe they will introduce another pant fit. Until then, no more pants for me probably.
 

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I guess it’s all relative. I would personally consider S&M slim fit as an extra slim fit and S&M contemporary fit as a slim fit. I’m sure others may think the S&M slim fit is baggy. I also under the difficulties in having more than two pant fits as a small company. It is what it is. S&M still has lots of wonderful items that I can fit. Once they get bigger maybe they will introduce another pant fit. Until then, no more pants for me probably.
I like your take, AAS. SM already do some things better than anyone, but do they have to be everything to everybody? The daily product and fit requests here make me wonder: do people know there are other places that sell clothes, too?
 

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Too lazy to find pics of the one-piece collar.

Cooper collar is a form of a one-piece collar where even the placket and collar are one piece. If anything, it's best suited for casual due to lack of collar button. One below is from Deo Veritas.

Any additional cost for the one piece collar? May try it out if it looks good for a casual style
 

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I like your take, AAS. SM already do some things better than anyone, but do they have to be everything to everybody? The daily product and fit requests here make me wonder: do people know there are other places that sell clothes, too?
Yeah, I certainly hear you on that. I guess I just find it perplexing because to me it feels as though the fit of their trousers feels out of sync with most everything else about the brand, which does not come across as particularly fashion forward.
 

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Any additional cost for the one piece collar? May try it out if it looks good for a casual style
No idea man, I'd ask CS about that, and if it's even possible yet.
Yeah, I certainly hear you on that. I guess I just find it perplexing because to me it feels as though the fit of their trousers feels out of sync with most everything else about the brand, which does not come across as particularly fashion forward.
IIRC, Rick said that people outside of SF said they found a lot of their trousers to be too baggy (!), and that's why extra slim fit is now a thing.

It must be tough trying to strike the right balance, but I think he also mentioned possibly introducing an athletic fit in the future as well.
 

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IIRC, Rick said that people outside of SF said they found a lot of their trousers to be too baggy (!), and that's why extra slim fit is now a thing.

It must be tough trying to strike the right balance, but I think he also mentioned possibly introducing an athletic fit in the future as well.
I wear the extra slim chinos and find them great quality. However, they definitely have more room in the calf and knee than most other "slim" chinos, and I don't take myself as having thin legs running and playing basketball most of my life. It is growing on me, however; Kind of averages the proportions. I don't like skin tight trousers either, the chinos have about 1-1.5" of fabric when pinched in the thigh, which is perfect.
 

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No idea man, I'd ask CS about that, and if it's even possible yet.

IIRC, Rick said that people outside of SF said they found a lot of their trousers to be too baggy (!), and that's why extra slim fit is now a thing.

It must be tough trying to strike the right balance, but I think he also mentioned possibly introducing an athletic fit in the future as well.
If you look at many pictures of people on SF you'll notice the majority wear their pants much baggier than the average person these days. This forum leans heavily "vintage".
 

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If you look at many pictures of people on SF you'll notice the majority wear their pants much baggier than the average person these days. This forum leans heavily "vintage".
Yeah, it puts it into perspective. Us chunky thigh people are a definite minority, even on here.
 

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If you look at many pictures of people on SF you'll notice the majority wear their pants much baggier than the average person these days. This forum leans heavily "vintage".
I definitely think there is a bunch of people out there and each person knows what they like in terms of fit. I like slim pants, but definitely not skinny. I got a 28 in the 5 pocket corduroys in the summer and can't wait until they come back in stock as I gained some more muscle in my thighs and just too tight now. While others who have not a lot of muscle in their legs need slimmer pants due to everything being baggy and not following their silhouette. As long as the pants aren't skin tight, or a huge excess of fabric, I think you are good. Just about following the natural contours and balance of your body.

@spiermackay what is the fabric composition of this one?
Almost looks like it is just a brushed wool, but could have a bit of cashmere in it and I would not be surprised
 

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I definitely think there is a bunch of people out there and each person knows what they like in terms of fit. I like slim pants, but definitely not skinny. I got a 28 in the 5 pocket corduroys in the summer and can't wait until they come back in stock as I gained some more muscle in my thighs and just too tight now. While others who have not a lot of muscle in their legs need slimmer pants due to everything being baggy and not following their silhouette. As long as the pants aren't skin tight, or a huge excess of fabric, I think you are good. Just about following the natural contours and balance of your body.
I have two pairs of 30 contemporary from last year, if you’re interested. Only washed, never worn.
 

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