I have to agree, comparing these chino's to the chino's of other brands the "extra slim" is definitely more of a traditional slim fit from other brands. However, more of a classic taper from knee down. Maybe the smaller sizes in the future could have slightly more taper from knee down, personallyYea I wish there are more extra slim pants offered. The extra slim is more normal slim in other brands which is what I prefer. I've had to taper many SM pants in the past.