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Anyone have a gallery of photos of how S&M shirt collars look in person?
 

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I became an S&M customer because of Rick's transparency. It's really hard to know walking into a department store what kind of suit quality you are getting for $500, $1000, or $1500.
Highest priced, non-tuxedo suit on Macy's website now is a ghastly BOSS Hugo Boss two-piece for $1,395.00.

Full description (on both Macy's and HB websites):

A contemporary take on the two-piece suit, cut to a super-sleek silhouette as part of the BOSS Tailored collection. Created in virgin wool with a refined pattern, this high-performance suit features a fully lined jacket with semi-canvas workmanship for a natural drape and elevated comfort. A softly constructed waistband with an extension adds typical refinement to the expertly crafted trousers.
So from this I know broadly what type of wool was used. But where is it from? I would think that for $1400, they could tell us what mill it's from, it it's relevant and/or impressive. The fact that they don't likely means the fabric is nothing special. At least I know it has "semi-canvas" workmanship. What does that really mean?

For the price there is such little transparency that I would never buy this suit even if I could afford to. Are there $1400 suits that are worth the price? Maybe a MTM or semi-bespoke made in the USA.
 

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Any update from your tailor or S&M customer service?

I saw this article on Permanent Style yesterday and thought of your situation. He mentioned something about forward facing pleats and bunching on the inside of the leg.
The thing is I have other double reverse pleats from other makers and multiple single reverse pleats from S&M and never had an issue. Rick is bringing it up to his tailor, I'm waiting to hear back. Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to my tailor until next week. I'll update the thread once I hear back from Rick.
 

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Highest priced, non-tuxedo suit on Macy's website now is a ghastly BOSS Hugo Boss two-piece for $1,395.00.

Full description (on both Macy's and HB websites):



So from this I know broadly what type of wool was used. But where is it from? I would think that for $1400, they could tell us what mill it's from, it it's relevant and/or impressive. The fact that they don't likely means the fabric is nothing special. At least I know it has "semi-canvas" workmanship. What does that really mean?

For the price there is such little transparency that I would never buy this suit even if I could afford to. Are there $1400 suits that are worth the price? Maybe a MTM or semi-bespoke made in the USA.
Are you seriously asking whether there are $1400 suits in existence that are worth the price? Do you really think that there is no level of handcraft, detail, or fabric quality to justify that asking price?

This forum has really fallen off from its glory days.
 

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I’m about to mention another clothing brand but negatively so I think it’s ok. I have a gift card from brooks Brothers I have been trying to use but they have become shit. Spier and Mackay just slays them. All of brooks cotton pants have excessive stretch in them. Their flannel trousers (triple the price of Spier) don’t feel as nice and the fit is a little strange. The outerwear is very expensive and most of it looks no different than any mall brand (banana republic). I even like Spier oxford shirts better. Anyone want to exchange a $100 gift card from brooks for an $80 Spier card? Hahaha. I’ll do it though.
 

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Are you seriously asking whether there are $1400 suits in existence that are worth the price? Do you really think that there is no level of handcraft, detail, or fabric quality to justify that asking price?

This forum has really fallen off from its glory days.
No. I'm stating that price at a department store is not a proxy for quality. Which is what I was trying to get across in my original post, and which @Johnsson reacted to with a quizzical emoji.

Of course there are suits with a "level of handcraft, detail, or fabric quality" to justify $1,400. I'm saying walking into a Macy's or a Nordstrom or a Neiman or a Barneys or a Bergdorf, and assuming that any $1,400 suit on the rack is such an item is not a safe bet.
 

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I’m about to mention another clothing brand but negatively so I think it’s ok. I have a gift card from brooks Brothers I have been trying to use but they have become shit. Spier and Mackay just slays them. All of brooks cotton pants have excessive stretch in them. Their flannel trousers (triple the price of Spier) don’t feel as nice and the fit is a little strange. The outerwear is very expensive and most of it looks no different than any mall brand (banana republic). I even like Spier oxford shirts better. Anyone want to exchange a $100 gift card from brooks for an $80 Spier card? Hahaha. I’ll do it though.
their pajamas/robes are pricey if you’re paying out of pocket, but if you have a gift card that’s what I would do. I have a set of their flannel and broadcloth and they’re great.
 

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No. I'm stating that price at a department store is not a proxy for quality. Which is what I was trying to get across in my original post, and which @Johnsson reacted to with a quizzical emoji.

Of course there are suits with a "level of handcraft, detail, or fabric quality" to justify $1,400. I'm saying walking into a Macy's or a Nordstrom or a Neiman or a Barneys or a Bergdorf, and assuming that any $1,400 suit on the rack is such an item is not a safe bet.
FWIW, I understood you.
 

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Looks like Rick hasn't been checking in on this thread lately but here is his response to a 4-year old reddit AMA question regarding working conditions in factories that make SM garments. If I remember correctly they only work with factories in China now.

Both factories that we have partnered with in India and China adhere to all local and international labour laws and inspected regularly through Intertek. Our Chinese partner is ISO certified and requires such certifications for their export permits. I can arrange a list of the certifications from them and report back on the specifics.
Our Indian factory in particular is very interesting. As we only work with 17 tailors, each of a very high skill level, they dictate to the factory what their salary will be, what their hours will be, etc. If their requirements are not met, they simply will leave. We do not employ machine operators. All are highly skilled tailors, each capable of drafting the pattern, cutting, sewing and finishing the shirt on their own. Such is the case, we value them very highly to carry out our work. Some have been with us since we first started.
Not going to lie, when I first heard about SM I was skeptical but once I started trying some items the quality spoke for itself. I think their business model is also obvious enough that poor treatment of work wouldn’t be the first thing I think of when I wonder how they can provide so much value.

Yes the working conditions are probably not as great as first-world countries but I think we can safely say it's not Nike level bad considering tailors are much higher skilled than the average worker making sneakers.
 

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Very nice. Great tie, too. From where did you get it?
Thanks. CT

I have a hard time gauging just how dark this is. At times it looks like a dark grey with only very limited green. Other times, the green stands out more. What's your take on general?
It’s a mix of emerald and charcoal fibers which from a distance looks very dark green. My phone reduces everything to gray shades.
 

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Can anyone with the Botto high-rise flannels comment on roominess in the thigh/seat and or the "give" of the material? How "comfy" are these pants compared to S&M's worsted contemporary trousers?
 

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I got the green Guabello high rise flannel trousers and they are now my new favorite. Generously cut and nice high rise. I'm thinking of ordering a pair of the Botto's on today's flash sale.
 
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