Spanish Bespoke.

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  1. epa

    epa Senior member

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    Just one more thing, talking about Spain: I have the feeling that many men do not care very much about their shoes. I have the feeling that I often see people with nice and certainly expensive clothing wearing rather horrible shoes, often some kind of awkward mockasins. Also, I often find the shoes not to be adequately polished, or even dirty.
     
  2. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    I have the feeling that Loewe is quite expensive for its quality level, what do you think? Also, I find most of their stuff quite booring. Some years ago I bought some nice (I thought) Loewe ties (on sale), but last years collections have been horrible, I think. Also, I find that Loewe is one of these firms that tend to overload their stuff with large, extremely visible logos (yes, more or less like Carolina Herrera), in a way that appears a bit too tacky even for me.
    I think so too, especially since LVMH bought them out.

    If LVMH buys out any firm, look forward to large logos and inflated prices.
     
  3. satanama

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    Here's a link to an article on Spanish royal family's bespoke tailors (Larrainzar and Gallo). The shirtmaker is Burgos. http://www.elmundo.es/magazine/2002/125/1013789769.html

    The addresses are:

    JAIME GALLO
    Serrano, 27
    28001 MADRID

    CAMISERIA BURGOS
    Cedaceros, 2
    28014 MADRID

    And as of Larrainzar, (I know it's somewhere in "calle Cedaceros", very close to CamiserÃa Burgos) I believe it is:

    LOPEZ HERBON S.L.
    Cedaceros, 9
    28014 - Madrid

    Hope this helps

    Iñaki
     
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    Sorry, I forgot John Lobb's address in Madrid:

    JOHN LOBB
    Nuñez de Balboa, 16
    Madrid
     
  5. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    Interesting. By what chance, do you know the type of cut?

    Is it angled towards the British?
     
  6. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    One thing to keep in mind, spain was barely better than a third world country before 1960. It's no wonder luxury industries or bespoke business don't really exist there.

    !luc
     
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    One thing to keep in mind, spain was barely better than a third world country before 1960. It's no wonder luxury industries or bespoke business don't really exist there.

    !luc


    Unlike, say, Naples?
     
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    One thing to keep in mind, spain was barely better than a third world country before 1960. It's no wonder luxury industries or bespoke business don't really exist there.

    !luc


    One thing to keep in mind is that Spain once had an empire (that included large swatches of Latin America, Asia and, hmm, Europe to the north). That allowed it to support court painters and fine dress (at the royal and chattering class level, anyway):

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ez-Meninas.jpg

    Fast forwarding to today, Spain´s stock of new high-end cars recently surpassed that of France and Italy. That gives you a sense for disposable income Spaniards have around, even if it´s to buy unpolished loafers.

    Regarding style, I´d say there is no particular signature Spanish dress style (except for the "teba", kind of a cross between a sweater and a jacket). Look, the Prince also tends to dress in a pan-european style. Italian (Panerai watch, sort of high armholes and button stance), English (trouser cuffs, double vented jacket, EG shoes) and...

    http://noticias.ya.com/fotos/200510/2105.htm
     
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    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Unlike, say, Naples?

    Naples was such a popular holiday spot for wealthy British that it was like visiting a colony.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind, spain was barely better than a third world country before 1960. It's no wonder luxury industries or bespoke business don't really exist there. !luc
    Spain had one of the world's largest empires and proved to have been an artistic centerpiece. It was really the Franco regime that tended to diminish things. Beware or I may ask about Portugal's bespoke.
     
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    Spain had one of the world's largest empires and proved to have been an artistic centerpiece. It was really the Franco regime that tended to diminish things.
    Well, if I don´t remember wrong, Spain had an empire in the 16th-17th century, but all that easy money that came in from the colonies (like gold and silver from South America) actually wasted the local industries. I believe to recall that the fine Spanish merino wool actually ended up being woven abroad (in England?). Craftmanship and industry were not considered "nobel" occupations (although some of it survived in Catalonia and in the Basque Country) and there were easier ways to make money.
    Yes, Spain may have been kind of third world country in the 50´s.
    Of course, there was quite a click of wealthy people, but that is quite common also in third world countries, I think. However, I believe that "made in Spain" was never something that appealed to them, so those who could afford bespoke probably went abroad for it, maybe to England...
     
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    One thing to keep in mind is that Spain once had an empire (that included large swatches of Latin America, Asia and, hmm, Europe to the north). That allowed it to support court painters and fine dress (at the royal and chattering class level, anyway):

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ez-Meninas.jpg

    I was referring to "modern times", of course.

    Fast forwarding to today, Spain´s stock of new high-end cars recently surpassed that of France and Italy. That gives you a sense for disposable income Spaniards have around, even if it´s to buy unpolished loafers.
    it gives me a sense of how easy it is to get a debt funded economy booming.

    !luc
     
  13. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    Spain had one of the world's largest empires and proved to have been an artistic centerpiece. It was really the Franco regime that tended to diminish things.

    Beware or I may ask about Portugal's bespoke.

    Spain was mostly an agricultural economy at the beginning of the 20th century, and it's only the last 30 years or so (especially since 1986 and european funds) which made spain a "modern" economical power. Spannish economy is still vastly dependant on tourism.

    !luc
     
  14. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    Unlike, say, Naples?
    Naples hasn't been independant since 1860.

    !luc
     
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    it gives me a sense of how easy it is to get a debt funded economy booming.

    !luc



    You must be an economist as well as a sartorial expert.

    Official Eurostat data:

    1. Deficit / GDP in France: 3.6% (non-compliance with Maastrict treaty).
    2. Deficit / GDP in Spain: 0.1%

    3. Government consolidated debt / GDP in France: 65.1%
    4. Government consolidated debt / GDP in Spain: 46.9%
     

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