Yeah, I know that there is an official APC thread (um, I started it ) But I thought that this was interesting. I was chatting with Mauro (DENIMBAR) and he told me that they'd gotten in old "standards" as well as the "new standard". Now, we all know that the new standard is sized crazy, but the old standard (a little higher waisted) always fit close to true to size. I am wondering whether the entire APC line is now FUBAR, and the new "old standards" fits are all screwed up as well. I've posted on the "New purchases" thread several times in the past few weeks, which means that I am broke, but I want someone to get both and report back to us. I'ts not that expensive. Mauro is still selling them for $120, so you can get both pairs for the price of 1 pair of Rag & Bone's (and just one leg of a pair of Soraikos). 100 Styleforum credits! Oh, yeah, and everybody get on Mauro's case about getting his website up. He likes that.