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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by marc37, Jul 1, 2004.

  1. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Senior Member

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    (kalra2411 @ 01 July 2004, 6:21) Quote I am prepared to stand by my position that pushing a person to the street, particularly a woman, is not the act of a gentleman and the willingness to proudly boast of how that pushing was intended to teach a lesson displayed boorish arrogance.
    Perhaps it is just me, in England if you said that to someone in those words, you would be looked at as the wrongdoer.
    Fascinating issue of cultural divergence. Â I will forward this thread to my English relatives. Â I suspect the question of national differences will elicit a detailed response. Â I am forced to wonder whether my response would generate disapproval throughout all of the English. Â An interesting question and one that is hard to test.[/quote] If that was intended in a sarcastic manner, please reconsider your views, I believe that we are discussing this in a mature and sensible manner, quite gentlemanlike (which FIHTies was clearly unable to do - which makes me wonder why he made a comment like this
    When he is unable to even justify what he said, without engaging in sending an indecent post to me) If however you were being sincere, my apologies, as it is difficult to tell over the internet, as you know.
     


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    marc237 Distinguished Member

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    proudly boast
    Those do not sound to be very gentlemanlike descriptions. It is not you ideology which I was criticising, simply the way you expressed your opinion. Moreover, it was to say the least, a little outlandish.
    So we find ourselves in a fascinating little loop. You believe it appropriate to criticize me for using "outlandish" language to criticize a person who stated to total strangers that he had pushed a woman to the street. Moreover, you were so concerned that you incorrectly suggested that I described Marc37 as "violent and indecent" and you did not bother to take the time to target more narrowly your criticism to the actually wrongdoer. Thus, I was inappropriately tarred with too broad a brush. While I accept the apology proffered, I must note that I find this whole exchange to have become "outlandish." I trust we can move on.
     


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    Sir - In this thread, nothing but sincere.  Apology accepted.  Possibly you will permit me to buy you a drink next time I visit your fair City so that we can have the pleasure of meeting in person.
     


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    I would agree with you once again, that outlandish is certainly a similarly indecent word to use, and I was aware of that at the time, I simply used it to show you the effect of using such language as you did. I expected your reply to be on that very note.

    Please once again accept the apology I proffer you for generalizing you amongst others.
     


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    It is I who will buy you dinner, decent people, like youself, who take the time to understand what is being said are hard to come by on this board.
     


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    Some of these salespeople have the "security" of working for prestigious companies, only having to deal with those they "buzz in," and having thugs man the doors, so they may sometimes feel that they can do whatever the hell they want. They think of themselves as equal to the wealthy whom they serve. What I would like to see is how some of them function outside in the "real world," outside of high-end retail environments, and how they would respond to someone who treats them the same way they usually treat others.

    What I find amusing: some doctors refuse to treat malpractice lawyers, because they're sick of (as a group) being sued and having malpractice insurance rates go up. Imagine the agony of not being to take a piss, but also not being able to find a urologist willing to put in a foley. In which other country do both doctors and lawyers make so much money from healthcare?
     


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    I consider the incident over and done.  I appreciate your prompt response and rue the difficulty of using this medium to engage in such a difficult discussion.  It is so hard without the ability to discern nuance, facial expression, voice tone, and mannerism.  Add on the issues of cultural and national differences and one wonders how diplomacy ever succeeded back in the Renaissance when all communications were written and delivered by messenger.
     


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    Very very true, especially:

    However, I am sure many others will not share my view on that; therefore, I will refrain from further comment on the above issue.
     


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    (kalra2411 @ 01 July 2004, 6:40) I would agree with you once again, that outlandish is certainly a similarly indecent word to use, and I was aware of that at the time, I simply used it to show you the effect of using such language as you did. I expected your reply to be on that very note. Please once again accept the apology I proffer you for generalizing you amongst others.
    I consider the incident over and done. Â I appreciate your prompt response and rue the difficulty of using this medium to engage in such a difficult discussion. Â It is so hard without the ability to discern nuance, facial expression, voice tone, and mannerism. Â Add on the issues of cultural and national differences and one wonders how diplomacy ever succeeded back in the Renaissance when all communications were written and delivered by messenger.
    Many thanks.
     


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    I shudder to think what would have been had she crossed the line and actively insulted you.
    When he is unable to even justify what he said, without engaging in sending an indecent post to me)
    Kalra I like you and all, however kindly explain to all that the "Indecent Posts" you refer to was only the GB Shaw story I posted, a Classic. I would not like the others on the board to get the wrong impression about us exchanging "indecent emails and posts" Surely, you understand. JJF
     


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    FIH, if you have a relationship with an Armani sales manager, I highly advise and even ask that you please do speak to him about this employee indecency. I too have had nothing but awful experiences when attempting to shop at Armani stores (Chicago, La Jolla).

    And this common thread hijacking is very annoying, and is rude, particularly to the original poster.
     


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    FIH,

    Initially, you were targeted the least so of the three, however, after your response, my opinion changed, as it was an unnecessary abrupt post:

    I will side you here in that, yes, you did not say anything overtly indecent to me, baring the above.
     


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    Brian, please note:


    1.\tAll comments relate to the original poster
    2.\tThey also relate to the topic in question
    3.\tJust because you see many posts, you somehow think the thread has been hijacked. Am I correct?
    4.\tIs that not the nature of an internet message board anyway? To discuss the topic, and related topics, if the opportunity does arise; in the same way as a conversation.
    5.\tIf Marc37 had a problem, I would ask that he voice his opinion, and not you.
    6.\tI promise to stay directly to the topic on any post which you start, however, I would also ask that you do not make comments for others, that you do not yet know to be true.
     


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    LabelKing Stylish Dinosaur

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    I have never liked Armani stylewise so I have only been to their stores a few times.

    However all the times there the people were nice. One employee took the time to show me the various Classico suits, and the sale items.

    They have very unattractive shoes.
     


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    On the topic of Armani stores, as BrianSD is intent that that is the only topic I can discuss here, a friend of mine has been banned from the Armani store on Old Brompton Road, he will not tell me why, I on the other hand have only had good experiences in Armani stores.
     


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