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Smoking Jacket in lieu of a Tux Jacket?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Eustace Tilley, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. Eustace Tilley

    Eustace Tilley Distinguished Member

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    I've noticed over the past few months that more and more people (many that I consider to be typically well-dressed) are opting for a velvet DB smoking jacket instead of a tux jacket.

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    Is this a traditional substitution, or are they just being uber-trendy? FWIW, I don't think it looks bad, as long as its in the DB form and is black or midnight blue.

    ET
     

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    ThinkDerm Stylish Dinosaur

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    tutee Senior Member Dubiously Honored

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    Is this a traditional substitution

    No of course not-especially that of velvet in public

    or are they just being uber-trendy?
    Not sure about "uber" but trendy yes. Very [​IMG]

    FWIW, I don't think it looks bad
    Neither do I but I would never wear it in place of proper black tie. However, these days you can see and do a lot worse than substituting a nice smoking jacket.

    as long as its in the DB form and is black or midnight blue

    Traditionally speaking (and I am being rather strict here) you should not wear black for smoking jacket as historically that was one of the few places men were allowed to display color correctly. But then again you wouldn't be caught dead with a velvet jacket at a black tie event outside of your home or club even up to 60s I guess.

    This version that you posted above generally speaking is a true smoking jacket with frog closure and cuffs. If one must wear it in public you should opt for a buttoned version with silk facings for black tie and self faced for even more casual look.

    I wrote about this in detail a few years ago but that may have been lost in great styleforum crash of 4-5 years ago. Sator wrote about its correctness and options in much greater detail. If you really want to know you should look up his post as it is a very confusing topic to discuss.

    my two cents
     

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    Ianiceman Distinguished Member

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    Good post ^

    Notice that smoking jacket is paired with a gingham shirt and a cravat. It's really not black tie, it's a less formal version for when people had black tie style dinner parties in their home so dressing it down was more acceptable, along with velvet slippers. I doubt fellas who wore this rig in the old days did so outside of the house, I bet they still had formal black or white tie rigs for dinners and parties at a venue.
     

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    May I suggest a midnight velvet SB peak or shawl collar lapel jacket matched with midnight mohair/barathea trousers as an acceptable tuxedo/black tie alternative You need some guts to wear a smoking jacket at an event that you know others will wear (rented) tuxedos. But this should be no problem for a man who made an EG TD Shannon boot in tweed [​IMG] [​IMG] If you get the Velvet jacket...may I suggest you pair it with velvet slippers [​IMG] http://www.broadlandslippers.co.uk/e...-slippers.html An elegant Shawl collared SB jacket: http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatP...=&sectionsize=
     

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    I only wear my smoking jacket at home, in front of the fire with a nice sherry or cognac in my hands [​IMG]
     

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    Excuse my ignorance, but does anyone wear this IRL on any occasion. I thought that these outfit are now a relics of the past.

    If anyone has any pics of smoking jackets, cravats etc in IRL, please post...

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  9. Eustace Tilley

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    Thanks tuttee.

    AJ: I've seen a few people on the NY black-tie circuit wear a smoking jacket to parties / events. Many more wear the SB version.
     

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    I thought these things were from the time a man would put on a DJ to dine in his own house (more like manor or mansion), and after dinner, a game of billiards would be played or cigars would be smoked in the library or something of that sort.

    The kind of life I saw recently in the movie 'Into the Storm' or what RL shows in its RLPL ads
     

  11. Eustace Tilley

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    I thought these things were from the time a man would put on a DJ to dine in his own house (more like manor or mansion), and after dinner, a game of billiards would be played or cigars would be smoked in the library or something of that sort.

    The kind of life I saw recently in the movie 'Into the Storm' or what RL shows in its RLPL ads


    Yup - think you're right from a more traditional perspective. But these days people seem to be using them at black tie events as well. A member just pm'ed me saying that Poole brings a sample to stateside visits as an alternative to the dinner jacket. So its not just us Americans doing it.
     

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    Do they wear it with a bow tie ?
     

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    Do they wear it with a bow tie ?

    I think if you're going to try to pull this off at black tie events one should wear a normal rig with the jacket being the only exception.
     

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    it can be worn in club night (as in secret society) a cross with black tie and boys room event.

    what you are looking for (unless you are member of a club) is something like 'BNWT Emanuel Ungaro Italian Velvet DJ Dinner Suit 40R ' on ebay item number 400161766382 at the moment.
     

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    from http://shop.edeandravenscroft.co.uk/pages/formal-dress

    'Smoking jackets



    Velvet smoking jackets are traditionally worn with evening trousers or tartan trews, evening shirt and a bow tie or cravat. They are perfect to wear at home or when sharing a mellow whisky with friends and colleagues at a gentleman's club...

    '
     

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