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Slipping Tie Knots

MrDaniels

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OK, here's a poser for the SFers:

I like tie knots tied nice and tight, not slipping down. Does anyone know via proven science or practical experience:

Between the four-in-hand, half-Windsor and full-Windsor, which tie knot tend to slip down the most?
 

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I've found that since I've been using this tie clip, my knots rarely loosen during the course of the day. I think that the constant movement of an unfettered tie works to loosen the knot. Just a theory, mind you.


 

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A lot of slipped ties I see are a result of the knot being too big for the space allowed by the collar. So a smaller knot, either from a different tying method or a thinner tie, would be helpful, as would a more spread collar and/or more tie space. My smallish four-in-hands paired with spread collars, some with a touch of tie space, do not have this problem often.
 

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I agree with whoppee that it could be tie space.

I like my shirts with some tie space and never have a problem with tie knot slippage. I use a Prince Albert knot.

Also, weaves might have better grip than prints.
 

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Perhaps the OP ties his knots too loose? I have never observed this problem. In fact, gravity would tend to militate against it.
 

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Originally Posted by Tomasso
I've found that since I've been using this tie clip, my knots rarely loosen during the course of the day. I think that the constant movement of an unfettered tie works to loosen the knot. Just a theory, mind you.




I like that...secret and subtle!
 

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Hmm, I've never had the problem with slippage. I use mostly windor with my spread collars; today I am using a FIH with OCBD.
 

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More turns = less hold. It's a question of physics. More of your pull goes to tightening the knot on the sides leading up to your neck in a FW. In a FIH, more of your pull goes to increasing the grip on the tail of the tie.
 

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Originally Posted by MrDaniels
I like tie knots tied nice and tight, not slipping down.

This is as good a place as any to offer you my thanks. Your eagle eyes in the "what you wearing" thread identified that my tie knots would often slip down and thanks to that observation I now make an extra effort to ensure the tie will not slip down (much...)

What I found is that it's not so much the knot method, but how tightly you cinch it that determines whether it stays put. I basically tie a modified half-windsor and on "first cinch" it looks right but will slip down a bit during the day as it loosens. I now make an effort to get the knot tighter. So while holding the knot, I'll first pull down the thin end, then adjust the thick end and basically keep going, all the while tightening the knot itself, while keeping the basic shape the same. The tighter the knot, the less likely it will be to slip down.

I have not found the ties take longer to recover after wearing, but then again, I have a large enough tie collection that I do not wear the same one at all frequently.
 

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Fabric, thickness of the tie material, plays a big factor in keeping the knot. The better the quality of the tie, the better the knot.

I've never had a Robert Talbott tie that didn't make a beautiful knot and that did not keep it.
 

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Originally Posted by The Devil's Hands
More turns = less hold. It's a question of physics. More of your pull goes to tightening the knot on the sides leading up to your neck in a FW. In a FIH, more of your pull goes to increasing the grip on the tail of the tie.

Wow, thanks Mr. Wizard! I knew there had to be a scientific principle!
 

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Originally Posted by Tomasso
I've found that since I've been using this tie clip, my knots rarely loosen during the course of the day. I think that the constant movement of an unfettered tie works to loosen the knot. Just a theory, mind you.



Where do I find this neat thing?
 

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