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Skyfall 007 2012 (Teaser trailer out)

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Clark, May 21, 2012.

  1. bamahabir

    bamahabir Active Member

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    Just watched it. Everything felt a bit out of place and sorta random. To me it didn't really have much flow in the first half, but things picked up towards the end.

    Can't say I liked it, and can't say I disliked it. Did enjoy when they brought back the DB5, that was awesome. Overall though mixed would be my sentiments.
     
  2. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    this is what I got out of it:

    He was mad at M because when shit got a little out of line from his actions as an agent (something about him overreaching his bounds, I'm gussing hacking another country when he should not have), she gave him up to (I believe) the Chinese and they tortured him to high hell for his actions against the country. She gave him up because it was either give up him or risk giving up 6 other agents, and so the sacrifice was made, but he was really not cool with this and all that torture. Bardem also hints at that betrayal when he meets Bond for the first time and even suggests that M was betraying Bond by allowing him to visit Bardem even though M knows he far from passed the tests necessary for active field work.
     
  3. wmb

    wmb Senior member

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    I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was beautifully shot and made. Thumbs up:thumbs-up:
     
  4. b1os

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    Right, kind of blacked all that out because of the preceding comment. Nonetheless it seems weird and constructed to me.
     
  5. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    the idea of being majorly pissed at somebody who basically caused your suffering for a few years is totally plausible. Getting back at them by hacking into their network and leaking the names of agents who are in other countries? Again, plausible.

    That whole sequence of getting caught and escaping? That's where things start to get a little messy for the plot.
     
  6. b1os

    b1os Senior member

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    Sure it's plausible. But this is James Bond and usually covers more "dramatic" (i.e. not just some vendetta) villains. Plus, the whole beginning with Bond being "betrayed" (which he wasn't) and then some mysterious villain who was also "betrayed" just seems very constructed. How did Bardem get out of the cell at MI6?
    Anyway, I liked the movie ok and think Craig and Bardem did a very good job.
     
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  7. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

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    I can't believe people are arguing about plausibility when a previous movie in the franchise featured an invisible car. It's James Bond. You have to suspend your disbelief.
     
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  8. pseudonym

    pseudonym Senior member

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    Not sure if serious. His stuff is confiscated by MI6 when they come to retrieve him (remember the helicopters?) from the island.

    When Q tries to get into Silva's laptop, Silva's virus shuts down the MI6 network (including security) and he makes his escape. How hard can it be to knock out a security guard, considering his MI6 agent past? Think Alec Trevelyan from Goldeneye.

    That whole escape was very similar to the Joker's prison escape in TDK. Intending to get caught, etc.
     
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  9. Gibonius

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    What I want to know is why MI6 put the most secure prison cell in a room with a passage leading directly to the subway tunnel. Lazy, that.
     
  10. b1os

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    @pseudonym: Not 100% serious, no.
    @Gibonius. More like that, yep. At least they could've sealed the door leading to the subway..

    Watched the movie again today.

    Product placement I've noticed:
    Adidas (shoes during the assessment)
    New Balance (same)
    Courvoisier VSOP (office, M's home)
    Heineken (Bed, bar, MI6 during the creation of the trap for Silva) -- all times not fully visible though
    Jaguar
    Aston Martin
    Bose (ship)
    Omega (multiple times, most prominent in the opening scene in the "digger")
    Coke Zero (MI6, during the hacking scene of Silva's computer)
    And obviously Sony. Xperia (S?) and Vario. Most annoying, hardly a scene without it)

    So, I know now what bugs me about the movie. First of all, the second third feels like 24 to me. More importantly though, Silva doesn't make sense to me. I mean, seriously? That guy had years of planning, takes a huge risk by getting captured etc. Nearly gets killed in the subway escape (why doesn't Bond shoot when Silva talks about the surprise or whatever he had for him and reaches for his "walky-talky" to press a button?). Anyway, all of this just to storm the court and chaotically try to shoot her? Really? That must have been the most clever and most promising plan that apparent genius could've thought of... Likewise at Skyfall. He first sends a gazillion of trained mercenaries and just assumes that one old women, one old man and Bond with hardly any equipment will get rid of them without M being killed? Same for when he gets there with a helicopter. He didn't want them to hurt her ("She's for me"). Really doesn't make sense. Why the hurry? He's waited for years and then can't wait for a couple days for them to get bored in Skyfall?
     
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  11. HRoi

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    Bond was also wearing a pair of light blue Orlebar Browns in the scene where he arrived in Macau (IIRC) and took a swim in the hotel pool. the scene was pointless and i kind of assumed that it was there just to show him wearing the trunks, but then you can hardly see them anyway. so even more pointless if the product placement didn't even work.
     
  12. Vastrm Darren

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    I enjoyed the movie, although I do think some of the ending plot was a bit weird.

    I was wondering though, as someone who wasn't alive in the '60s/'70s, what are some of the better classic Bond movies? I've seen a couple with Sean Connery which were great. Do you recommend any?
     
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    From Russia with Love is the best Connery film, IMO, so if you haven't seen that one, do it. The Spy Who Loved Me is the best Moore film, again, IMO.
     
  14. edinatlanta

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    Good film, can't believe no one has mentioned the Caterpillar product placement (Chicago Tribune had an article about the product placement).

    It was a beautiful film, some complaints I had would have mattered more in a non-Bond film.

    Craig is a good 007 but he's no George Lazenby.
     
  15. Sander

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    I feel like the new movies are judged by much, much higher standards than the old ones.
     
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  16. HRoi

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    both those are excellent. I also really like Moonraker
     
  17. b1os

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    Vastrm Darren, get the 50 years James Bond blu-ray thing and watch every movie, from past til present. You won't regret it.
     
  18. Sander

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    I actually did that just to realize that I really hate Moore as Bond. Connery is great as Bond, but nearly all movies he made would be ridiculed mercilessly if Craig starred in them.
     
  19. Kai

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    The swim in the hotel pool was for the lady viewers.
     
  20. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You guys are getting too caught up on product placement. I didn't think it was bad in the film at all. Even the beer in question that was drank felt natural enough in the context of the scene.
     

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