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Skoaktiebolaget – Carmina, John Lobb, Enzo Bonafè, Carlos Santos, Saint Crispin’s, Rubinacci – Offi

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Leaves, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. laufer

    laufer Senior member

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    that's it, same here. I purchased my first G&G MTO through Leffot. It was nice to meet Dean there too. EG through BB. However Skoaktiebolaget really goes an extra mile. Heather Gorse anyone???
     
  2. smoothie1

    smoothie1 Senior member

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    Zug Zug Zug! And Willow calf to boot. I dig Skoab.
     
  3. bdavro23

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    This practice is known as "Showrooming" in the retail industry. I dont want to get on my soapbox about all the reasons it isnt cool, but to think that things are just as easy as adjusting pricing is a bit naive. Also, though they may not stock the item in question, they can certainly order it unless.

    Good for you. I have always enjoyed your posts and I am glad you've come to this decision [​IMG]

    Has it crossed your mind that there might be reasons they havent lowered their prices? Maybe they have a MAP agreement. Maybe they dont enjoy the margin that Skoak receives. Maybe Carmina has a pricing strategy for the US different from the EU. Regardless, I have great news: You dont have to buy from another retailer. If you do choose to go to a brick and mortar store for the express reason to use their services in order to buy from another vendor however, I think thats a pretty douchey move. Did you ask them to price match? Did you give them the opportunity to make the sale?

    Its no different than going to a lawyer, having them prepare documents and do research for you and then paying another attorney for the work. You can try and justify this to yourself however you want, but the bottom line is you are hurting someone's business. I'm sure the guys at Skoak would feel the same way about people doing it to them.

    It isnt illegal and no one can stop you from doing it, but I think it says a lot about people who do this kind of thing. Happy shopping
     
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  4. bespoken pa

    bespoken pa Senior member

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  5. smoothie1

    smoothie1 Senior member

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    No, I kept it classic with a dark oak willow Dover.
     
  6. eljlakers

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    Wow, glad you can make all sorts if moral judgments about me based on my decision to try a pair of shoes on in a store where I'm expected to pay 60% more than I pay at another comparable retailer. Didn't realize it was my moral compass that's out if whack. Seriously though, if Carmina is providing duch drastically different margins for different retailers that seems like it's something you should take up with them, not me. Also - let's be real - the retailer probably spent all of 5 mins taking a box of shoes out for me. Again, all I said that is I don't find doing this any more wrong than a retailer charging 60% more than they know I can find a similar shoe for at another retailer. I suppose you're right in that I could have asked them to price match, but I think that would have been, in your words, a rather douchey thing to do as well.

    In any case, I'll now wait for Leaves' explanation as I'm positive he understands this far better than you or I.
     
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  7. bdavro23

    bdavro23 Senior member

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    Glad I could help. And if you think that retailer is only spending 5 minutes on this then you are mistaken. They are importing the shoes, paying for stock, overhead, etc, etc, blah, blah... Do I seriously need to explain this to you?

    If it doesnt bother you to do this to someone, then fine, keep doing it. I will keep thinking its a douchebag move. Thats fair, right?

    Also, giving the retailer that you're Showrooming the opportunity to pricematch isnt douchey, but it would tell them you are Showrooming and they might magically never have another shoe in your size again...
     
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  8. smoothie1

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    Lolz. Perhaps it's best for Leaves to explain, and let's get back to the primary business of talking shoes and new orders and styles. Cheers.
     
  9. rydenfan

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    How about finding a different thread for your point of view? Pretty far off track and this is an affiliate thread
     
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  10. eljlakers

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    As I said, I gladly await Leaves' explanation and let's please return to the regularly scheduled programming.
     
  11. bdavro23

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    No thanks.

    I didn't bring this topic up, I am just replying to others on a forum. I welcome your input on the matter or I'm happy to discuss the potential Shanklin gmto at skoak, but don't think you have to right to tell me to shut up or leave because you might disagree with me. Shall we get back on track or would you like to continue down this path?
     
  12. justinkapur

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    I think we should get back to Shanklins.

    Do we have 3 for normal width @venividivicibj?
    If so @Leaves can you help us process? If necessary we can take it to a group PM.
     
  13. venividivicibj

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    We need one of the Maybes to confirm that they are in. If they are, then we are good to do (MW313 is wide, so he doesn't count until we get three).
     
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    perfect. hopefully we can get this thing going soon.

    If we were able to get 3 wides faster than ordering normal widths could be in any number thereafter right? Or would we need 3 in normal as well?
     
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    Gentlemen,

    I would be a wide as well....

    My problem is that I'm a shell cordovan addict....:)

    So, I'm waiting for my first EB to be delivered this week and if the fitting is to my liking, I plan on coming off the chain with EB cordovan MTO's...

    I need some suede and EG in my my life in general...

    But I think now I'll pass.

    Thanks and best wishes to this GMTO.
     
  16. bdavro23

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    I'll let you know either way I'm the morning. Thanks!
     
  17. venividivicibj

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    nice!
     
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    I see you didn't complete that sentence. Probably because there are A LOT of "unless-es". I've run into into EG catalog items that in reality are only MTO (with respective surcharge). And even in NYC good luck finding a store where a man who takes a D-UK/C-US fitting can walk out of the store with shoes that fit, unless you want an AE65.
     
  19. smoothie1

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    Leffot used to stock Some UK D widths. RL too.

    Venanzi as well, but they're long gone.
     
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    A comment on the price discussion
    I think it’s slightly off topic and the subject should probably need its own thread because it’s a global phenomenon/challenge, it’s not specific for my business. I will however say this as the discussion was raised in our thread.


    • Skoaktiebolaget has always been about excellent customer service and offering something unique. Sure, we have black cap toes and other staples, but the effort I put into creating new interpretations of styles and pushing the makers to bring in new materials is what gives us an edge. Often this process is encouraged and driven on by SF members, that’s why I love this community and the members here. Skoaktiebolaget has made new exiting materials available. The same goes for several new styles being introduced by our makers, designed by Skoaktiebolaget and the manufacturer in collaboration. I’m glad that this is being acknowledged by fellow SF members because I put in a lot of hard work to make it happen. I’m also very grateful towards our manufacturers, that they are willing to accommodate my ideas and requests, it is not something I take for granted. I am deeply appreciative of their good will and professionalism.
    • As far as I know, none of the manufacturers we work with applies different pricing for different regions. Everyone is buying at the same rate. The only exception might be Edward Green (unconfirmed).
    • Up until recently, none of our makers provided recommended retail price lists except Edward Green and Gaziano & Girlling. This in itself has caused problems with both overpricing and under pricing but most makers are now looking to distribute recommended retail price lists. We have people coming in to our shop trying out their size too, and then ordering online somewhere, it's just the way it is. Maybe we don't have the style they are looking for, maybe another retailer has a lower price, waddayagonnado?
    • The US is one of few countries without some kind of national/federal VAT or GST system. The sales tax is governed by each state (I believe) and is therefore not applied when the goods enter the country. Thus, the only fee that is applied to orders from the EU to the US is an 8.5% customs fee. As an EU company I’m obliged to deduct VAT on any order shipped outside the EU. So basically you get a 10-15% “discount” by ordering from the EU to the US. I do recognize that this needs to be addressed in some way, but it’s up to the manufacturers to set up these rules, not me.
    • For rules to have an effect there must be control and policing of these rules. The makers we work with are usually very small businesses (except EG). Setting up rules and policies and maintaining them takes a lot of energy and that’s why I think many of our makers have been hesitant to set up too many restrictions. But there are changes coming, and it will impact the way retailers are trading across regions.
     
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