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Skoaktiebolaget – Carmina, John Lobb, Enzo Bonafè, Carlos Santos, Saint Crispin’s, Rubinacci – Offi

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Leaves, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. barky

    barky Senior member

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    There are no actual shoes. The MTO will be a copy of the adelaide below :

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    but on Bonafe's chiselled last as per the shoe below

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    If you are in, the MTO will be on.

    Patrick, may I know the colors of the swatch and their equivalent to EG/G&G colours ?
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  2. doughie

    doughie Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I understand that and im in.
     
  3. barky

    barky Senior member

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    Ok, that's great. Let me pm Patrick and see how it goes.
     
  4. Leaves

    Leaves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Still waiting for a confirmation from Bonafé if they have a similar style.
     
  5. Leaves

    Leaves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    So I got this picture. The model is called 3200. As you can see it's a really old picture (ca 1998) but this is the only one I got.

    This is a real challenge for us with Bonafé; no marketing material. But you guys get the idea. We can of course do it with a plain toe and medallion and skip the cap.

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  6. terrorsquad

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    I think that looks great.What is the exact name of the 2nd swatch from the left Leaves in your picture of leather swatches?i think it will look fantastic
     
  7. laufer

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    Yes indeed this would be very helpful.
     
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    Does it have to be 2 eyelets? I would prefer 3. Does it have to be hatch grain? How about brown alpine grain/ I am open to any type of sole.
     
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    I am going to let NAMOR take the lead on the above boot as I think it is now going to be a u-cap design instead of the shortwing.
     
  10. Leaves

    Leaves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Price for this mode as a Group MTO is 7900 SEK (6320 ex VAT) Price for this model as a MTO is 9300 SEK (7440 ex VAT)
     
  11. niklasnordin

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    2 or 3 eyelets doesnt matter much to me.
    yes it has to be hatch grain
     
  12. niklasnordin

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    thank you maestro :)
     
  13. barky

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    Patrick, agree it looks dated but I am sure Bonafe has since upped his game based on the few new models you showed. Anyways, just want to point out the design cues on Delos' shoes, which IMHO makes it what it is, which I hope Sr. Bonafe can make for us :

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    First, the brogued facing is wider at the base and then, in a nice round curve up to the narrower part at the top. Most makers, like the Bonafe above, make it too narrow and/or the curve is more abrupt/angular and therefore loses the elegantness. G&G does this very well too, like the Walkton below shows, see how much wider the bottom part of the facing and the nice curve :

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    Below are examples of not so elegant/unbalanced adelaides :

    too narrow
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    too angular
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    Second, it must have a peak heel counter and notice how the counter ends outside of the heels rather than the usual inside. It gives the counter a certain flourish and anchor the shoe which has a plain front.

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    Third, the back of the heel design is different from most, which, together with the medallion, I hope can be replicated :

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    Hope this is not too much trouble for Sr Bonafe [​IMG].

    A recent G&G Walkton MTO by Nick comes close to what I had in mind but notice the heel counter, which will look too small if the wingtip is not there. If the color we chose is the close to the G&G, I would be a very happy man [​IMG].

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  14. Leaves

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    It's too much to ask him to copy Delos' design completely. Bonafé has been very accommodating with us this far and if I've provided a picture from another designer he's just said "oh that looks just like our model XXX", and we've produced a similar design, but not copied it outright.
     
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  15. GabrielOB

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    Hi guys,

    Bonafe's names on the above swatches is (from left to right):
    1. Vitello Etrusco
    2. Vitello Bergeronette
    3. Vitello Giamaica
    4. Vitello Elise
     
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    If one would compare these color swatches from Enzo Bonafé to Edward Green's colors, to find the colors matching each other in the best possible way. That would look like the below:

    1. Vitello Etrusco - Edward Green Dark Oak
    2. Vitello Bergeronette - Edward Green Burnt Pine (but with a slightly darker touch)
    3. Vitello Giamaica - Edward Green Chestnut
    4. Vitello Elise - Edward Green Acorn
     
  18. laufer

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    If anybody is interested in MTO make up in this color please let me know.
     
  19. barky

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    I fully understand that. I found some old pics of one of Bonafe's adelaide and I am fine if this is his normal adelaide shape (without the swoosh at the back but with serrated edge). However, I would like a peaked heel counter, it can be without the back detail (something like G&G St James II is fine). This would be a deal breaker for me if it cannot be done.

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  20. meister

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    Not very nice style IMO = the stitching on the counter. The front toecap is great. Heel counters are better free of brogueing IMO.
     
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