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Size vs. Cost

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by swiego, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. swiego

    swiego Senior member

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    There is an understandable difference between a man who is 5'2" and one who is 6'4" yet it seems to me that each of these men will pay roughly the same for a given article of clothing that fits him. For lower cost clothing this is not a surprise, but luxury items which establish a premium in part on materials and material costs should have a price tag proportional to the amount of this premium material in use. Yet, I haven't seen much evidence of this.

    So... why not?
     
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  2. Gdot

    Gdot Senior member

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    Size matters..........................................:nodding:
     
  3. swiego

    swiego Senior member

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    OK, I kind of set myself up for that.
     
  4. Gdot

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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Some makers charge more if you're significantly bigger (for example, Sam Hober, WW Chan). I've never seen someone giving a discount for a particularly small size vs. an average size.
     
  6. Sam Hober

    Sam Hober Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    For luxury products materials are indeed a significant factor as is time for pattern making etc.

    In our case we have ranges of lengths for a given price and we don't typically get a large percentage of orders outside a certain size range.

    When the height/length is slightly smaller we may have a small savings on materials but not much as we need a certain profit to cover fixed overheads.

    We do get orders for boys (typically for weddings) and if they are very small we can give a slightly lower price.

    But again we really don't have much savings (if any) with boys as there tends to be more time involved with getting their measurements and making their patterns.
     
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    Plestor Senior member

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    I pay more for CMT, and even some taliors at 6'7".
     
  8. swiego

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    To clarify, my original question was focused on RTW, where size S is typically sold for the same price as size XXL.
     
  9. Nicola

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    Because you're not buying a pound of hamburger. The difference in material cost is just spread out over the whole production run.

    You could argue smaller are getting screwed.
     
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    The cost of fabric represents a very small piece of the pie when compared to the total costs of ready to wear including labor, equipment, overhead, setup, manufacturing, packaging, wholesale distribution, and finally, retail costs.
     
  11. swiego

    swiego Senior member

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    See, I'm not sure I agree. A pound of hamburger... but we're not talking about hamburgers here. Please see the original post: I recognize that the JC Penney shirting is going to have tiny material costs, but for some of the clothing discussed on this site, the material cost is quite significant.

    I first got to thinking of this when buying shell cordovan shoes. For many makes, they are significantly costlier (given the same design) for the upgrade to shell and unless there is some hanky-panky going on, I assume a good percentage of the delta derives directly from materials cost. Yet the 7US pair will cost the same as the 13US pair. A Kiton 180s suit? I assume that fabric costs more than hamburger meat and represents more than 1% of the suit cost. But 36S will cost the same as 48L. How about the finest Loro Piana cashmere storm system overcoat? S and XXL... same price. I completely understand why this would be for a $100 leather jacket from Wilson's Leather, or a $25 Van Heusen dress shirt, but I struggle with the same practice being followed at 25x those price points.

    Then again, perhaps I shouldn't complain since I'm a bigger guy.
     
  12. GasparddeColigny

    GasparddeColigny Senior member

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    Usually the price difference is in material cost is negligeable. Secondly it would complicate matters, leading to a number of headaches: customer confusion about pricing, more administration, where to start differentiating prices (per size? per 2 sizes etc), issues with item returns due to price differences. No, bad idea!

    There's hardly ever anyone complaining anyway.
     
  13. GBR

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    There is little price shading for either large or small in RTW. You will find increases (but no decreases) for the larger at some MTM tailors and possibly bespoke as well. However these do not cut in until 'gross' persons are involved. That rarely means the tall, just the obese.
     
  14. Gdot

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    Sweigo, regarding shell shoes. 1 Shell = 1 pair regardless of size of shoe. The shell itself is pretty small and there simply isn't enough to make more than one pair of well matched shoes.

    I guess it's conceivable that some lesser manufacturers try to get a few extra pieces out of a shell - but it wouldn't be common.
     
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  15. swiego

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    Well, I noticed that just about everyone making shell cordovan footwear also sell shell cordovan belts, whose tabs presumably are cut from leftover shell used to make smaller shoes. (That said, your point is well taken.)
     
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    Price for the average and make up the loss(xxl) and gain(xs) from each end.

    How is this so hard to understand?

    You're suggesting:
    XS-$8
    M-$10
    XXL-$12

    Real world:
    XS-$10
    M-$10
    XXL-$10

    Either way you wind up with $30. The athletic 1% are subsidizing the fat ass 99%.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Lol Reborn think this through man. By your logic, McDs should charge same for single double and triple cheeseburgers since it all evens out. So question is why doesn't some maker come out offering lower prices for smaller sizes and thereby grab more of that market. My guess is not wanting to alienate bigger sizes and not wanting to make their customers feel too price conscious.
     
  18. Nicola

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    It's like saying the people who use more ketchup on their fries should pay more then those who don't use any.

    How much difference in material cost do you think there is between a S and a XL?
     
  19. swiego

    swiego Senior member

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    For a JC Penney sweater? A dollar or two.

    For one of the highly sought after SF-approved Italian sweaters? Potentially $100 or more.
     
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    or a size 30 v. 44 alligator belt.
     

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