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Sitting Ducks?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by scnupe7, Jul 7, 2005.

  1. scnupe7

    scnupe7 Senior member

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    How many of you that use mass transit feel like sitting ducks?
     
  2. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I walk to work.
     
  3. chorse123

    chorse123 Senior member

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    Not me. It's still so much safer than driving a car. I wish that resources would be better spent though than having cops loafing about in the stations because of London. That money could be better spent on cameras, or even on the system itself which (at least in new york) needs it. And how exactly are those cops going to stop a terrorist with a bomb in a small bag? They don't wear signs announcing themselves.
     
  4. Fabienne

    Fabienne Senior member

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    Yeah, I feel the same in Paris. Security has been hiked, niveau rouge du plan vigipirate, but really, there's a pattern in these attacks, so we're not likely to see another one straight away, and police searching the TGV is not going to have much of an effect, should someone decide to commit suicide. But I understand the public has to be reassured.
     
  5. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Funny you should mention that.

    The day before the London bombing I was travelling from Brooklyn to Manhattan and when the train stopped for whatever reason on the bridge I was wondering how difficult would it be to have people that wanted to blow the train/bridge up during rush hour.

    There but for the grace of G-d go we.
     
  6. Bic Pentameter

    Bic Pentameter Senior member

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    I live in Tokyo, and the station I get off at is the Prime Minister's residence....There are several uniformed policemen here and there, but it is quite an...easy target.


    Today, they removed all of the garbage receptacles, so I suppose I should feel much better.
     
  7. Fabienne

    Fabienne Senior member

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    It always gets very pleasant when they remove city garbage cans.

    When I took the plane a few days ago, security let me go with a Swiss army knife in my handbag (I had forgotten it was there, realized it only once I got to the hotel).
     
  8. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

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    I think the heightened vigilance and security measures make it unlikely that terrorists will target a mass transit system again in the near future.  Kind of like going to a restaurant that has recently reopened after being shut down for health code violations.
     
  9. faustian bargain

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    i think that's a good point. it's just a shame that it takes a tragedy to create an environment of heightened awareness, though.

    it reminds me of the story of the NY subways in the '80's, as told by Malcolm Gladwell. his take on it was, the environment itself encouraged the rampant crime and the brazenness of the criminals. once the police went on a program of cracking down on all minor offenses (i.e. gate jumpers, etc.) and keeping the grafitti off the cars, the 'serious' crime (muggings, rape, etc.) went down because the environment showed a level of care that discouraged wrongdoing.

    (the story is in 'the tipping point'.)

    /andrew
     
  10. PhiloVance

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    My father was a track technician for the MTA (NYC Transit Authority) for 30 years. He can tell stories about the crime and rats that are quite entertaining (well, the rat stories anyway). Some quick highlights:

    Apparently the pretty big sized rats you see while waiting on the platform are runts. There are immense, colossal rodents deep in the dark tunnels. He said in the summer they would rest their bellies on the cool rails and let their legs dangle.

    Apparently these rats have no fear of men. One large rat apparently stole the sandwich out of a bag of a co-worker as they were eating during a work break. I have since corroborated this story with several MTA retirees.

    Overall, I would have to say the new york subway system, as described as it existed in the 1980s sounds nothing short of hell on earth. murders, rapes, arson, acid thrown from moving subway cars, people pushed in front of trains, these are the work stories I heard from my father growing up.

    Anyway, I'll end my nostalgic subway trip down memory lane with this: as a retiree, my father has lifetime free access to the NYC transportation. Needless to say, he hasn't been taken a train or bus in NYC since the day he retired. And he refuses to believe that it may have gotten any better in the last 15 years.

    I won't even go into my commute from the east side to Fordham Road in the bronx on the 6 to the 4 to the D train for 2 years in high school. Anyone ever see "The Warriors"? :)
     
  11. Tokyo Slim

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    Its not like removing ALL the garbage receptacles in that station is hard, what are there like...five of them? [​IMG]
     
  12. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Senior member

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    (clink clink clink clink clink clink clink)

    Waaaaarrriooooorrrssss.... come out to plaAAAAaaaaYYYY...
     
  13. globetrotter

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    sorry guys, you can't stop terror by protecting the target, you need to go after the terrorist.
     
  14. Tokyo Slim

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    Too bad nobody is interested in that anymore eh Globetrotter? [​IMG]
     
  15. scnupe7

    scnupe7 Senior member

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    I hear what you are saying. But if the food is good, how long is it before people are back at that reataurant?
     
  16. faustian bargain

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    i realize this analogy is about to fall apart, but it occurs to me that a restaurant that actually gets shut down for health code reasons really has to be a pretty gross place. not the kind of place that's going to have very good food to begin with, generally speaking.

    ever see restaurants with a light on overnight, especially in the kitchen? keeps the cockroaches from scurrying about.

    /andrew
     
  17. ViroBono

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    Globetrotter is right - you have to get the terrorist.

    I think that we in the UK have to lose a bit of the political correctness, too. 'Community leaders' are complaining in the media that it's not fair that young muslim men are stopped and searched, and the lefty brigade wring their hands about their rights. We need to be very clear with this section of the community; they will simply have to understand that until AQ starts recruiting elderly white Christian women, their young men are likely to be stopped. Those who support the terrorists and help to spread their hatred, such as the Al-Muhajiroun organisation, should be proscribed, prosecuted and deported - instead, their leaders live on welfare benefits, protected by lunatic legislation and preying on impressionable, badly-educated youths from unassimilated communities.

    Currently, the police and intelligence services in UK are warning that the bombers could try to target public transport again.
     
  18. Horace

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    Oddly enough I have friends who think the period of the Warriors was New York's greatest hour.

    Your old man say anything about people living in the subway?
     
  19. globetrotter

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    sorry, if middle aged jewish guys were blowing up subways, first I would be out there going on record saying there was no way to justify it, secondly I would be happy to submit to what ever searches and/or checks that were needed to make sure that I was't involved.

    all we do know about the terrorists is that they are relativly young muslim men. if this is the only thread, that is what we should pursue, and we should do what ever it takes, even if it may be a little unpleasant to some innocent people, to get to the source.


    what walter said about brining those responsible to justice - the answer is not to take the 5 or 10 people who put together te bombs and try to put them in a jail where they get 3 meals a day and a mosque for 20 years. what needs to be done is to find every body who was involved - in planing, in logisitics, in moral support, in finance, in training, etc, and kill them. anything short won't work.

    this isn't a civil law matter, this is war with "pirates" - with a non-territorial entity whose only reason for existance is to kill non-muslims.

    "allied" units should be killing around the clock - track down the people who have been giving money - kill them, track down the guy who let them stay in his house - kill him. track down the guy who tought them how to make bombs, kill them.

    and while they are at it, they should be looking for the people who could be planning the next jobs, and kill them, too.


    the people involved in this are not afraid of going to jail. we also can't focus on the ones who put the bombs together or actually pull the switch, because even death doens't scare them. we need to destroy any support they have, destroy their financial base, their support, etc.
     
  20. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Globe... I understand where you're coming from. One note: many of these guys aren't afraid of death, either.
     

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