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Site Topics - Part II

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by j, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I squirreled the "BHO is Mao" thread because it had just turned into an annoying pissing contest between Piobaire and Paraiso.
    Paraiso is a moron. If people are going to have strong opinions, they should at least be readable.
     
  2. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    Paraiso is a moron. If people are going to have strong opinions, they should at least be readable.

    You do understand you are talking about SF, yes? [​IMG]
     
  3. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior member

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    I'll just toss him on ignore. From being told to shove sausages up my ass, etc., I thought I was pretty modulated.
     
  4. Mark from Plano

    Mark from Plano Senior member

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    After Franny's latest outburst in CE, can we just get rid of him once and for all (forum wise)?

    Edit: is the "don't make requests for banning" rule in place for this Trans Mod threak or just the old one?


    It was a nasty thing to say, and I'm disappointed AF felt the need to say it, rather than remain silent. I think AF is a nice guy (and I've met him IRL), but it's unfortunate to me that he made that statement. That said, I thought Fuuma made a really good point later in the thread, and I think it's a fair argument against penalizing AF. Moreover, I don't see how not sharing the popular reverence for the dead should be a bannable offense.

    I am not in favor of banning the fran, but this is hardly some isolate slip. He has a long history of saying really gross inappropriate things about corpses that are still warm.

    I don't think it was "bad," but it was nasty. I just find it better to avoid negative comments about people who have recently died, especially when it's easier to simply not make a statement at all. If someone had asked AF what he thought I would say he's at no fault for expressing his opinion. However, the nice thing about an internet forum is that we can simply move on to the next thread. There was no reason AF had to come into that thread and say something nasty; he could have let the Dems have their circle jerk. The fact that he made a point of posting is what is bothersome to me, as he was essentially going out of his way to piss on Murtha's grave.

    Is anyone else disturbed by the continuing calls to ban someone just because they say something that upsets you? I think what AF said was pretty disgusting, but I think there ought to be a modicum of free speech here. Just because he states an opinion you don't like shouldn't be a reason for banning. I pretty much felt the same way about some of the calls for AThingforCashmere and some of the others. Shame on me for not speaking up then, but I'll speak up now.

    IMO AF should be (and has been) pretty well excoriated for what he said by everyone on the forum, but should not be banned.

    Not to say that there shouldn't be standards...I just don't think we should draw the line at offensive opinions. Free speech and all that.
     
  5. Aus_MD

    Aus_MD Senior member

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    ...as opposed to words from Latin, like governor, which have rarely been spelled '-our'...



    [​IMG]
     
  6. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Is anyone else disturbed by the continuing calls to ban someone just because they say something that upsets you? I think what AF said was pretty disgusting, but I think there ought to be a modicum of free speech here. Just because he states an opinion you don't like shouldn't be a reason for banning. I pretty much felt the same way about some of the calls for AThingforCashmere and some of the others. Shame on me for not speaking up then, but I'll speak up now.

    IMO AF should be (and has been) pretty well excoriated for what he said by everyone on the forum, but should not be banned.

    Not to say that there shouldn't be standards...I just don't think we should draw the line at offensive opinions. Free speech and all that.


    You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines.

    Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.
     
  7. oneeightyseven

    oneeightyseven Senior member

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    You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines.

    Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.


    God you envoke so much fear, all while imposing respect at the same time [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  8. Mark from Plano

    Mark from Plano Senior member

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    You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines. Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.
    I make lots of common mistakes so this is nothing new. I apparently was unclear though when I stated that there should be standards. Since I didn't expound on what those ought to be I would concur that use of the N-word would violate them as would threatening others. Nor did I ever mean to imply that the constitution had anything to do with SF...simply that in a forum (like CE) dedicated to political speech one ought to (IMO) wield the ban-hammer judiciously. I have no idea what AThing was eventually banned for, but I am willing to concede that it was proper. What I was speaking to were the 50 times before that when folks called for his banning for little more than being a complete jerk (which I agree he was). I don't think we're in disagreement here and I have no issues at all with how the mods do their work. Sorry you took it as a criticism of that. I meant it more as a criticism of those that jump to calls for banning for every perceived slight.
     
  9. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    I make lots of common mistakes so this is nothing new. I apparently was unclear though when I stated that there should be standards. Since I didn't expound on what those ought to be I would concur that use of the N-word would violate them as would threatening others. Nor did I ever mean to imply that the constitution had anything to do with SF...simply that in a forum (like CE) dedicated to political speech one ought to (IMO) wield the ban-hammer judiciously.

    I have no idea what AThing was eventually banned for, but I am willing to concede that it was proper. What I was speaking to were the 50 times before that when folks called for his banning for little more than being a complete jerk (which I agree he was). I don't think we're in disagreement here and I have no issues at all with how the mods do their work. Sorry you took it as a criticism of that. I meant it more as a criticism of those that jump to calls for banning for every perceived slight.


    No need to be sorry. j has already asked that people stop calling for other people's bannings here, but, as usual, people are e-deaf. Being a jerk is not grounds for banning, but as in all things, there are limits to how jerky you can be, and how often.
     
  10. CunningSmeagol

    CunningSmeagol Senior member

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    No need to be sorry. j has already asked that people stop calling for other people's bannings here, but, as usual, people are e-deaf.

    Maybe they should be banned. Let me compile a list.
     
  11. Matt

    Matt Senior member

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    Thank you very much. I find that English English -- British English sounds much better than American English. Very classy. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    You probably know this, but just in case: (1) the different spellings don't imply different pronunciation; and (2) "British English" and "American English" are both very broad terms -- there are variants of British English that likely would not strike you as classy.
    ya, clearly this is someone who has never met a Scouser, a Geordy, a Pikey, a Yorkshireman, anyone from East London, and while not England English, but still technically part of Britain, he's damn sure never been sworn at by a Scotsman.
     
  12. Matt

    Matt Senior member

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    You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines.

    Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.

    yup, we've been using this metaphor for years around here, and it still holds true.

    If you were sitting at a table, and management was in earshot, would you say it?

    It's a really simple analogy, and if you would, then go ahead. If you have to give it a second thought. Best to go with the second thought....

    This thread serves as both noticeboard and feedback box, and it is nice of us to offer both, but none of us have ever claimed that this is either 1/ a democracy or 2/ a place where you guys have any freedom of speech.
     
  13. rach2jlc

    rach2jlc Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I have no idea what AThing was eventually banned for, but I am willing to concede that it was proper. What I was speaking to were the 50 times before that when folks called for his banning for little more than being a complete jerk (which I agree he was).
    Having been on forums for nearly 10 years (geez, how sad to admit that) you start to realize after a while a certain kind of poster and where it will lead. Certain behaviors are almost assured (in my experience) to lead to disaster and almost without exception they DO. Sure, sometimes I (and others) get a little trigger happy with the "report" button, but with Cashmere and guys like that, you know it's just a matter of time and a pre-emptive ban can save a lot of flame wars and fighting, or save us from having to read things like, "well, it's understandable why brit hume's son would have killed himself... his father is a republican!" Sometimes there is no reason to wait UNTIL that sort of thing happens... AF is a different can of worms... he and I talk via PM sometimes and I really like the guy and would buy him a beer if we ever met (which would require me to cross GA state lines, so probably won't happen.) Nevertheless, I just can't figure out what happens to him sometimes when he leaves sense at the door.
     
  14. ManofKent

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    No, BBC English is not RP. They're derived from different accents. RP is is more Kentish, while BBC English -- the more modern of the two -- is derived from the "University English" of the area surrounding London (Oxford, Cambridge, etc.) As for diction, spelling and grammar, I'll repeat: you equated Commonwealth English -- which IS mostly about diction and spelling -- and RP, and they are not the same thing.

    I think the BBC started with RP, but moved towards "University English" in the 60's. Today even that is broadening with local accents much more apparant.

    I'll take issue with RP being Kentish though. A true Kent accent is very rural sounding, but has largely disappeared apart from with some older residents of vilages. Today the North Kent coast has increasingly picked up 'Estuary English' - the difference between South Essex and North Kent is pretty much gone. Heading a little further south rural areas (and in towns) Romany has had quite an influence in language and speech.

    I'd describe RP as upper-middle class/professional white collar 'Home Counties'.

    Interesting discussion.
     
  15. Fred49

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    I had a post taken down is there a reason? I am not upset just interested????
     
  16. Wes Bourne

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    What earned vox the title of Goon member and can Foo's title be changed to:

    branleur et petit con
     
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    j has already asked that people stop calling for other people's bannings here, but, as usual, people are e-deaf. Being a jerk is not grounds for banning, but as in all things, there are limits to how jerky you can be, and how often.

    In my defense, I forgot j's request. Franny just always seems to overstep the line which is what I was trying to say.

    I redact my request so I can be in harmony with mods' desires.
     
  19. j

    j Senior member Admin

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    I had a post taken down is there a reason? I am not upset just interested????

    I can't find it, post a link if you can.
     
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    In my defense, I forgot j's request. Franny just always seems to overstep the line which is what I was trying to say.

    I redact my request so I can be in harmony with mods' desires.


    So what you're saying is, you finally love Big Brother?
     

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