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Site Topics - Part II

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by j, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. Teacher

    Teacher Stylish Dinosaur

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    I didn't say it had anything to do with 'diction, spelling, grammar, etc.' I said the opposite, in fact. RP is not 'basically unused'. It is the standard accent taught to non-native English speakers. Hell, it's even called 'BBC English' (cf. 'Walter Cronkite English' in America as an offshoot).

    No, BBC English is not RP. They're derived from different accents. RP is is more Kentish, while BBC English -- the more modern of the two -- is derived from the "University English" of the area surrounding London (Oxford, Cambridge, etc.) As for diction, spelling and grammar, I'll repeat: you equated Commonwealth English -- which IS mostly about diction and spelling -- and RP, and they are not the same thing.


    The Canadian example you quote is still a dipthong; it is pronounced by most Anglo Canadians as /Λu/, roughly. But the previous words you were talking about were never dipthongs in English, only French. The diagraphs were used simply to show French origin (as opposed to words from Latin, like governor, which have rarely been spelled '-our'), not English pronunciation.
     


  2. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Stylish Dinosaur

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    After Franny's latest outburst in CE, can we just get rid of him once and for all (forum wise)?

    Edit: is the "don't make requests for banning" rule in place for this Trans Mod threak or just the old one?
     


  3. unjung

    unjung Distinguished Member

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    After Franny's latest outburst in CE, can we just get rid of him once and for all (forum wise)?

    Link?
     


  4. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Stylish Dinosaur

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    From the RIP Murtha threak:

    Good riddance. A true piece of shit.
     


  5. MrG

    MrG Stylish Dinosaur

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    From the RIP Murtha threak:

    It was a nasty thing to say, and I'm disappointed AF felt the need to say it, rather than remain silent. I think AF is a nice guy (and I've met him IRL), but it's unfortunate to me that he made that statement. That said, I thought Fuuma made a really good point later in the thread, and I think it's a fair argument against penalizing AF. Moreover, I don't see how not sharing the popular reverence for the dead should be a bannable offense.
     


  6. Bhowie

    Bhowie Stylish Dinosaur

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    I dont think what Fran said was that bad. :roma:
     


  7. why

    why Distinguished Member

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    No, BBC English is not RP. They're derived from different accents. RP is is more Kentish, while BBC English -- the more modern of the two -- is derived from the "University English" of the area surrounding London (Oxford, Cambridge, etc.) As for diction, spelling and grammar, I'll repeat: you equated Commonwealth English -- which IS mostly about diction and spelling -- and RP, and they are not the same thing.

    'Commonwealth English' isn't even a real term outside of this forum. I used it to refer to what JustinW mentioned.

    As for BBC English/RP: what? Firstly, the OED uses RP for its pronunciation model. Secondly, 'BBC English' used RP as a model since its inception.

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action...ine&aid=267052

    But the previous words you were talking about were never dipthongs in English, only French. The diagraphs were used simply to show French origin (as opposed to words from Latin, like governor, which have rarely been spelled '-our'), not English pronunciation.

    This doesn't make sense, since words from Normal French or Latin which lacked a dipthong are spelled by Chaucher and others as if they had one (governour, reportour) and the phonetic spelling of French loanwords include the dipthongs from people like the Sir Gawain and the Green Knight poet (odour) and William Langland (doctour).
     


  8. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    I am not in favor of banning the fran, but this is hardly some isolate slip. He has a long history of saying really gross inappropriate things about corpses that are still warm.
     


  9. Douglas

    Douglas Stupid ass member

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    corpses that are still warm.

    good riddance. true pieces of shit.
     


  10. MrG

    MrG Stylish Dinosaur

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    I don't think it was "bad," but it was nasty. I just find it better to avoid negative comments about people who have recently died, especially when it's easier to simply not make a statement at all. If someone had asked AF what he thought I would say he's at no fault for expressing his opinion. However, the nice thing about an internet forum is that we can simply move on to the next thread. There was no reason AF had to come into that thread and say something nasty; he could have let the Dems have their circle jerk. The fact that he made a point of posting is what is bothersome to me, as he was essentially going out of his way to piss on Murtha's grave.
     


  11. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    Frankly, Af is one of my favorite Atlantans on the forum.
     


  12. gdl203

    gdl203 Affiliate Vendor Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    he could have let the Dems have their circle jerk
    I'm not sure that's appropriate behaviour over a warm corpse either.
     


  13. Piobaire

    Piobaire Not left of center?

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    I really wish people would just pass on making negative comments in obit threads and I've said this many times previously. It seems to me that AF is far from the only person to take swipes at the recently dead in these threads. I wish everyone would just STFU in the obit thread. Anywhere else is fair game but show a little restraint in the obits. It would be unfair to single AF out for doing this however.
     


  14. why

    why Distinguished Member

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    How about no obituary threads then? CE, as has been said before, is not a news aggregator.
     


  15. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt The Liberator Dubiously Honored

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    Frankly, Af is one of my favorite Atlantans on the forum.
    What do you think about paraiso? He is an honorary Atlantan. Whnay is good.
     


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