Hi all, Long time lurker first time poster. I'm totally new to the whole dry denim thing and have gleaned a helluva lot of info from reading previous posts. But there are a few things I still don't get. I know you guys explain this stuff over and over but I'd be ever so grateful if you could do it just one more time for me... I'm looking to get a pair of RRDS Nudies. I'm planning on going the full hog and not washing for 6 months etc. The question that I don't get is what size to buy them at initially. I keep reading that they stretch out as you wear them but also that they will shrink over time...I'm not sure which way to turn now. My height is 5'10" and I'm 160 lbs with a waist that is usually around 32". I normally take a 32" leg length as well. So when I buy the nudies, what size do I go for? Do I buy a size that is quite tight at the waist in the anticipation of it stretching? If so, what happens after I wash it and the waist then stretches even tighter, won't it be too small? And as regards length, do I go for slightly longer than usual and just deal with lots of bunching at the bottom until the first wash at which point they shrink to the correct length? The way I see it now is that if I buy a 34 leg then after I do the first wash they'll shrink an inch or two and be the correct length after that...is that right? Btw, I'm not really a turnup kind of guy and would prefer to not have any on my jeans, selvedge or no. Also, I keep seeing guys mention soaking in a bathtub while wearing your jeans to shrink them but am not quite sure why you would want to do that...can someone explain this to me fully? Sorry if these questions seem stupid or obvious but you have to understand you're dealing with a total newbie here. Thanks very much for the help guys, much appreciated!