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shoes for fledgling professional wardrobe

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by cl5, May 7, 2005.

  1. cl5

    cl5 Member

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    i'm just looking for some opinions on the following prada shoes: [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] and a pair of gucci loafers: [​IMG] i'd like them to wear them to work with suits primarily.. it seems like everyone on this forum is partial to allen edmonds, alden, grenson, etc.. but for some reason, i don't think they would look right on me.. i'm a 21 year old student and also work as an operations manager at a bank (i've been a teller since 17.. through an internship program). the new position requires that i wear suits daily--and so far i've purchased four DKNY suits (one navy 2btn sb notch, one navy 2btn sb peak, one gray pinstripe 2b notch, and one lighter gray 2b notch) and several medium spread collar shirts from bloomingdales. the suits fit better on me than any other suit i've tried so far (i.e. hickey, brooks, hugo boss, calvin klein, etc.. and basically everything otr at macys, nordstom, bloomingdales, loehmanns.. even filene's and century21 while i was in boston/new york a few months ago). i'm 5'10", 155lb, and i tend to wear a 36-38R with a 32 waist and i prefer a slim fitting jacket, and straight leg pants.. (i absolutely despise a tapered leg..). are there any other suits brands i should look into? i've heard good things about jil sander.. thanks in advance -cl5
     
  2. Will

    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    My opinion is that they are all casual shoes and appropriate with Italian clothing. But not with suits. Especially in a bank.

    Get some oxfords or some monkstraps. You need two pair so you can alternate them.
     
  3. demeis

    demeis Senior member

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    Get a brown and a black oxford. I won't do a monk strap with suits. I'm only 20 and wear grenson, check out Calzoleria Harris Shoes, or ferragomo's for a more updated look but i personally perfer grensons and don't think they look wierd, i am near identically size as you. You can do a black or a brown shoe with all the suits you described so it would be nice to alternate giving the suits a different look.
     
  4. Nonk

    Nonk Senior member

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    You could get some nice shoes for the sort of money you would spend on those monstrosities.
     
  5. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    I'd say that #2 and #4 are both suitable, pun intended. Oxfords are more formal, but sleek bluchers (even Norwegians), especially in this non-Mantonian world, will suffice. They are certainly more in line with the DKNY suits you will be wearing (these are decent fitting, affordable suits for many younger guys , fusing, etc... non-withstanding. Yes, this is an open invitation for criticism from all the old guard here) than a pair of more conservative shoes.

    Most bankers dress like crap anyway, and no-one expects a 21 year old to show up in Brooks Brothers suits and English shoes (probably most people wouldn't notice the difference anyway).

    I might also suggest Helmut Lang and Costume National for similar styles, in addition to Jil Sander.

    A word of advice - shoes like this can be bought at discount from Yoox (best source), Bluefly, and Smartbargains (worse deal, sometimes prices nearly as high as retail). Find the model and size you want, and inevitably, they'll show up for less than retail.
     
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    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Oddly enought for a clothing forum, I think this says no-one (with the possible exception of Manton) expects people to be well dressed at age 21, especially bankers, so you don't need to buy decent shoes.
     
  7. JLibourel

    JLibourel Senior member

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    I have never owned Prada or Gucci shoes, so can't comment from experience, but the consensus in these fora is that they are not good value for money. Those I have examined do not look very durable, either. I realize that as a young guy you probably like the "fashion forward" looks of these shoes. However, if you buy good-quality, conservative dress shoes from a reputable maker like Alden, Grenson, A-E, etc., they will last you a good many years with proper care, and because they are classics, they will never look dated, the way those things will in a few years. (I cringe in remembrance of some of the footgear I had back in the '70s, BTW.)
     
  8. demeis

    demeis Senior member

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    (LA Guy @ May 07 2005,15:27) Â Most bankers dress like crap anyway, and no-one expects a 21 year old to show up in Brooks Brothers suits and English shoes (probably most people wouldn't notice the difference anyway).
    Oddly enought for a clothing forum, I think this says no-one (with the possible exception of Manton) expects people to be well dressed at age 21, especially bankers, so you don't need to buy decent shoes.
    I can agree with this statement. People are always caught off gaurd by young well dressed (in BB suits and english shoes). I look like everyone else i work with but get more compliments.
     
  9. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Senior member

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    I don't understand what nobody in this age bracket dressing well has to do with anything. Young people are supposed to where crap as their age dictates? Bluchers with suits is ok becasue better is not expected of them? Set the curve; don't follow it. The path to success is reached by exceeding the standard, not conforming to it; by surpassing what is expected of you, not by meeting the bare minimum; by leading not following. You don't get to be in charge by confirming that you're already where you belong. Quite the contrary. The people in charge are there because they showed how they were not like their average peers.
     
  10. maxnharry

    maxnharry Senior member

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    Do a search on Capezios and you will see the problem with trendy footwear. I am an outcome based kind of guy. What's the outcome. Do you want to dress professionally so you areregarded as a professional and someone who can be trusted with additional responsibility (and a commensurate salary)? OR Are you looking to be the most fashionably dressed person at work.

    Both approaches have their merit and only you can answer what your aim is. As someone a little older than you, I think the problem with following constantly changing styles is that clothing becomes very expensive and must be constantly updated. Also, I think that your bosses won't appreciate all the work you put into your stylish wardrobe. If you insist on shoes that look like that, I would buy the cheapest ones I could find. You'll be changing styles shortly.

    If
     
  11. AlanC

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    If you're in a position that requires suits, and a conservative position at that (a bank manager), dress in such a way to reflect the job you have (and the one you want). Are you held to the same job standard as an older person in that same position? I'm not saying break the bank (haha) to dress yourself. The amount you spend on your clothes should reflect your income and stage in life. The style you choose, however, must also take into account where you work and what you do. You're in a bank. You deal with finances. That world has a certain sartorial style that is meant to reflect conservatism and reserve with other people's money. My $0.02, but you asked. [​IMG]
     
  12. Carlo

    Carlo Senior member

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    Personal recommendation based on your need is that you light check out Allen Edmonds or something similar - well made, nice looking, not expensive and not risky.

    I dunno about anyone else but with my banker I want to see a boring guy who wears Edmonds and drives a Volvo Wagon just under the speed limit... I'd rather he be dull too... somehow a banker telling me about the hookers he met at the craps table in Vegas just doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

    ...but that's me.
     
  13. LA Guy

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    Just one of the reasons one should not aspire to be a banker.

    This is just me, but if a profession requires that I aspire to blandness in order to succeed, that is not the profession for me.  Designer, movie star, even maverick academic, I can handle.  Anything more respectable than that, uh uh.  Actually, I *am* working on a business plan for an actual business with a friend of mine based on our (related) expertise (not fashion); and he dresses blandly enough (blue shirts, pleated khakis, terrible shoes) for the both of us.  I told him that if this thing actually flies, excepting client meetings, in which I will rock a Helmut Lang suit, I'm going to wear whatever the hell I feel like, being co-founder and either pres or vp of the damn company.  Thinking about it, Maybe I will institute a "gotta look sharp in the office dress code."  Well broken in APC jeans with a really innovative tee and casual jacket?  Okay.  Wear stripey to the office with a pair of khakis - get yourself home and changed.
     
  14. johnnynorman3

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    I've gotta disagree heartily with LA Guy here. I think there is a time and a place for those Prada shoes, but with a suit in a bank is not one of them. MAYBE with a suit -- sans tie -- at an upscale club or restaurant. MAYBE at an art gallery opening or a movie premiere with a fashion forward suit. With a DKNY suit at a bank? No. If they didn't have a Prada label on them, but a Banana Republic label, would you even THINK about recommending these shoes for wear with a suit? Because (and I'm just talking about the oxfords here -- the loafers are really awful) they look a lot like the offerings at Banana Republic, and the quality will be only a few notches higher (I don't think Prada is much higher quality than Mezlan to be frank).

    The reason you probably feel uncomfortable in appropriate shoes is because everyone your age (err, nearly everyone) wears TERRIBLE shoes because they think that Kenneth Cole is the height of fasion and elegance. Look at a well-dressed 30 year-old's feet. He ain't wearing those types of shoes with suits. I think a Norweigen blucher is perfectly fine with a suit, provided that it doesn't have such a huge, square toe and chunky heel like the pics you showed us do. (For example, the Vass Norweigens are a fantastic choice with suits, IMO -- I don't buy the balmoral only "rule").

    I also wonder about the "I don't feel comfortable in Brooks Brothers suits" sentiment, but yet you buy four DKNY suits. I've tried on those DKNY suits. How are they any different than a Brooks Brothers suit? The DKNY suits don't have narrow shoulders. They aren't really slim fitting in the waist. And the pants are ordinary pants. Are you enticed by the label somehow? You must have spent a good chunk of change on those DKNY suits, and could've gotten something of much higher quality for less. Remember, the fit -- and thereby look -- of a suit can be drastically changed by taking in the coat waist of the suit by only an inch or two. The only thing that can't easily be changed about a suit's silhouette is the shape of the skirt and the shape/width of the shoulders. Ask a salesperson to pinch the excess fabric away at the waist while you are standing in front of a mirror, and this will give you a better idea of what the post-alteration coat will look like.
     
  15. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Senior member

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    ^^^ I'm with this guy [​IMG]
     
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    i agree with jn3 as well...

    i'm in my late 20's. i pretty much have two sets of shoes - those from before 3 years ago (Kenneth Cole and BR and other junk) and those from the period since (AE, C&J polo's, Grenson). Even with jeans, the traditional stuff looks and feels better. (I like an AE split toe monk - either brown or black - with half-commando sole for going out at night). the first group have been turned into bad weather shoes.

    And with a suit? Not even close. You really look more professional with true dress shoe.
     
  17. Lydia

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    Prada shoes are always surprisingly bland. I wouldn't get any of those. I don't find them too fashion forward or chic for a bank. I think they're pretty appropriate for a bank and will match well with the suits you have mentioned. They just seem pretty standard and offensive. If I saw a bank teller wearing any of those, I would barely think twice. I certainly wouldn't think he wasn't conservative enough or too much of a dandy. I suppose it would be better to go with the more traditional shoes suggested by others here. Do you have to wear black shoes? I find them too shiny and boring. It's harder to distinguish quality with black shoes.
     
  18. YMark

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    I agree. In addition, if my bank manager is 21 years old, I don't care what kind of shoes he's wearing. I'm finding a different bank.

    I'm not sure an "Operations Manager at a bank" is the same as a "Bank Manager" though. Either way, I'd opt for some AE over those Prada's.
     
  19. marc37

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    l love those style of shoes. l have afew Pradas that look like those. The problem is that they are only average quality (not bad though). l say; wear them with your suits to the bank. There is nothing wrong with those.
     
  20. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    they are just plain horrible.

    and what's the deal with tapered pants ? Straight legs pants on a suit doesn't look professional.
    Even Helmut Lang and Jil Sander make tapered pants for their suits.
    A suit is all about balance and silhouette : narrow shoulders are popular nowadays, with a noticeable waist supression, wide leg openings just look stupid with that sort of coats.

    If you want to look crisp in a business suit and don't want to shell indecent amout of money, get a Paul Smith London line suit. They have crap construction, but very good and balanced "english" silhouette.

    There are plenty of other brands to consider for "fahsion" shoes : santoni, stefano bi for the most expensive, or premiata for a more affordable counterpart.
    Not these crappy corrected-grain prada shoes.

    .luc
     

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