I like the value that Allen Edmonds offer for quality and price and while I know I can pay more and the shoe might be made better I don't really think I personally need a shoe that is better made. With my limited knowledge I doubt I would notice and I know 99.9% of the population wouldn't notice. I know most on this forum recommend Alden, but I am looking for something the same price as Allen Edmonds or less preferable. I am OK with buying seconds from companies, but I don't want to hunt ebay or the thrift stores. Thanks!