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Shoemaking Techniques and Traditions--"...these foolish things..."

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by DWFII, Aug 23, 2014.

  1. OzzyJones

    OzzyJones Senior member

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    Seriously?
     


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  3. OzzyJones

    OzzyJones Senior member

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    It's my understanding that finished can mean anything from put together to polished and put in a box.

    Certainly, the last time I bought Meermin, they were lasted and welted in China (Shanghai)
     


  4. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    That means Meermin didn't spec well.

    There are many shoemakers, industrial or bespoke, in China and the skills varies by a large degree. Not unlike every other country. So it would be unfair to equate the bottom of the food chain shoemaking firm with a specific country.

    The only downside about China is its lack of shoemaking history and the negativity associated with made in China.
     


  5. OzzyJones

    OzzyJones Senior member

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    Do you consider Meermin to be such?
     


  6. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    It's regular GYW shoes are priced at the low end of the stack.
     


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    Sounds a dumb question as the answer is yes. But Shanghai is the only place in China where you can get a copyright breach accepted and actioned I'm told so maybe it is only nominally in Communist China
     


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    asturiano Senior member

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    Meermin is not finished in Spain. Meermin is fully manufactured in China. Please see enclosed attached to one of their boxes.

    [​IMG]

    It reads (in Spanish)

    Manufactured in China with European (raw) materiales

    Meermin is listed as importer/manufacturer
    .

    The finishing that they do here is basically putting them in the box. There is a legal obligation in Spain to mention clearly the county of origin of the goods. The label has attached probably in Spain after the shoe was shipped out from China. Maybe they had a inspection of the cargo and customs found that they were no labels?

    I am not sure if all the boxes have no the label but this should be the case.
     


  9. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    No offense to anyone, but does it really make a difference where the shoes are made or finished? Or even who the maker is?

    Poor workmanship and irrational, expedient and / or mercenary choices are the same the world over.

    edited for punctuation and clarity
     
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    I think that's precisely chogall's point as well.
     


  11. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    It's a good point...and one that I have been making here for @ 7 years and 7200+ posts.
     
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  12. OzzyJones

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    I have no issue with where something is made if it's made well.
    I have 4 pairs of Meermin, all maestro line. Only 2 pairs were without a significant flaw.
    I think if you're outsourcing your work you need very stringent QC.
     
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    Nope, it makes zero differences from the product side.

    However, on the pricing side, people are willing pay a premium for heritage of most things; i.e., UK shoes, Italian suits, Scottish Whiskey, German/Belgium beer, etc. Part of the country/region/city branding premium. Worth it? As long as consumers are happy about their purchase.
     


  14. chogall

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    I have 2 pairs of Meermin maestro, one of which has pretty bad clicking/leather problems.

    Part of the problem with outsourcing is that people come quick to defame the manufacturer without knowing that the outsourcer defines the specs. In this case, Meermin is willing to let some of the flaws pass. Wouldn't blame them, they run a for profit business with margin in mind.
     


  15. OzzyJones

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    Soon bites you in the ass when returns/public complaints start to outweigh happy customers! (At least among those who frequent fashion forums!)

    Oh, pedantry alert! Scotch whisky, not Scottish whiskey
     
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