Here's a question regarding the definition of the "fiddle back waist." There are two design elements one can see in looking at the pictures you linked. One is the narrowness of the waist of the sole (which is associated with how closely the stitching of the sole is to the body of the upper). The other is the actual shape/profile of the sole in front of the heel. My interpretation of the term "fiddle back waist" has as much or more to do with the latter than the former. If you look at the picture, the Green sole actually has a curved/convex sole in the instep/waist area, whereas the Cleverley does not appear to. [If one looks at the Lobb RTW with the "bootmaker sole," they also feature the curved/convex sole profile. As do most cowboy boots.] So, is the definition of a "fiddle back waist" only to do with how much the sole is cut in/narrowed at the waist, or is it the profile of the sole, or both? If one looks at the back of a "fiddle" or violin, it features both of these characteristics -- there is obviously the outline/shape of the fiddle, when viewed head on, but there is also a distinct outward curvature of the back when viewed in profile (i.e. the back of the fiddle is not flat but has a distinct curve/outward bulge/convexity to it). By the way, I recall in 1995, Green had two level of quality they were offering. The higher-end shoes had the convex sole that I describe above; I think they were priced about 100 - 150 pounds or so above the regular Green line. They also had a different inside lining, all black in a different grade of leather than the regular line (at least in shoes with a black upper), and I think the two-tone soles, which I don't think the regular line featured at that time. This was after the sale of their factory to Lobb, but perhaps they were still using the old facility and the shoemakers who now do the Lobb bootmaker soles. The folks at Green say their shoes now have incorporated many of the features that were in the higher end line of that time. When you compare the two models, what are the notable differences? Is the waist narrower today or in the old shoe?