Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Caustic Man, Feb 6, 2013.
meh, all about fit really.
an ill fitting pair of exquisitely finished shoes is worth nothing.
I agree. That is obvious to me, which is why I didn't even mention it in my post. I'm not sure if better construction improves fit but C&J 337 fits me better than any shoe I've tried on. I have a high instep and the lacing closes up completely.
In many cases the buyer will need to learn what better quality is. If you are not in the company of guys wearing $1k shoes? You may need to turn to the internet for knowledge? Once you discover high-end good quality shoes, you WILL stop wearing lesser quality footwear. So you before you loadup on AEs that you will only wear in foul weather. Save that money and buy much better shoes. Don't rush to buy high-end shoes at full retail. If you have time and do some research, most of the high end shoes can be purchased new for $300 to $600.
Someone get some comparison photos! Wait until you see the difference before upgrading...
in decent styles, normal colors, and average sizes? doubtful
Doubtful. Used and in good condition, perhaps. New, rare and in non classic designs.
Bespoke shoes can start as low as $800 and Vass is in the $600s range via forum proxies.
The discount world of high end shoes is cruel to wide footed sartorialists...
I have done it many times.
Thank you for all the information and suggestions, everyone. This is exactly the kind of information I was hoping to get. It does help give me an idea of what more I will get more my money by going a level up from AEs. I definitely think a side by side comparison will also be illuminating so I will attempt to find a store that carries both AEs and higher end manufacturers. Meanwhile, does anyone want to take any picks of the detailing in their (higher end than AE) shoes, and post here?
If you're trying to look at it logically in terms of value for longetivity/durability, you shouldn't look at the very high end shoes. I don't think most people can say they will last 5 times longer than a pair of Allen Edmonds since it is 5 times more expensive.
I hate to do this cause i think its lame, but three examples of first quality EG, G&G, and JL shoes you got for $300-$600 in sizes between 8 and 12 would be great.
I hear you on that one. I have known that with proper care my AEs will last me a good long while. But I am getting the impression, which I will have to confirm for myself of course, that higher end shoes do seem to have greater detailing according to many people. This is one of those things that is often lost on me until I really get in and look at it. For instance, I never knew I was missing suits made from superior fabrics until I started buying a few.
Currently, I have shoes in the low (Loakes), mid (C&J & Church's) and higher (EG) strata in my collection but have yet to decide which are the best value to me (meaning which brand I would buy again should I need to replace some existing shoes).
For me, I would assess my shoes for (1) comfort, (2) longevity and (3) asthetics.
Comfort will mostly depend on the last and sizing but certain construction factors (e.g. the smoothness of the seams inside the shoe) also matter.
Apart from the fact that higher-end shoes having oak bark tanned soles will probably have better longevity per soling, low-end shoes will most probably last as long as higher-end. However, as I Topy all my shoes the sole leather durability will not be important to me.
For asthetics, I do not value the minor detailing that cannot be seen more than a few feet away. However, I would expect the more expensive shoe to look better throughout its life as the higher quality leather upper will crease less and probably polish better.
I would agree with this for the most part, except for the comfort aspect. The narrower waist, the more curved heel counter, and so on, are not just style aspects of a given last, they add to the comfort of the shoe. I find that more attention is given to these aspects on the higher end shoes, and I can feel the difference when I wear them.
Actually the difference is more noticeable when you wear higher end shoes (EG, Lobb, Berluti, and such) and then go back to wearing AE shoes. I like my AE shoes, but I love my Lobbs.
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