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Shoe Damage Report & Shoe P0rn Central - Part II

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oyaji, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. hoodog

    hoodog Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely stunning shoes, J!!! They really deserve all the praise they've gotten in here since yesterday (and more!) Great choice and congrats! [​IMG]

    Makes me kinda want to throw my own collection down the toilet though... [​IMG]
     
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  2. OzzyJones

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    Whoah! The first thing to come to mind reading this was bloodhound tattoos!
     
  3. j ingevaldsson

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    Thanks a lot for your compliments!




    If you mean that you see the lining on some pics from above, it's just that the lining goes pretty high up. He makes the stitching close to the edge of the upper, almost integrated with the pinking, which means he has to have the lining pretty high up towards the opening as well. Here's a close up to show what I mean (click to see it larger):

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  4. meister

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    Crosspost from the AS-thread: A pair of Alfred & Sargent Hunt in Mahogany bought from Foster & Son and their clearance. 250 pounds for these were a bargain. Really nice shoes, and the Foster & Son people were a pleasure to deal with. Here's some pics of the shoes, both in outdoor and indoor light:

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  6. Desiette

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    There are what maybe a 1000 elephants left in the universe and over 10 billion humans. Iam all for human leather, if it will spare the life of the elephants. Unlike elephants, these humans actually had a say in what was done to their skin.
     
  7. SpooPoker

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    :uhoh:
     
  8. TheWraith

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    That human leather website has been talked about several times before here on SF, and I think the consensus previously reached was that it was a hoax website.
     
  9. Desiette

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    If you are going to quote me, at least quote the whole sentence, not just the parts you like
     
  10. mimo

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    Funny you should talk about selective quoting.

    There are around 600,000 African elephants. Protected wildlife reserves where licensed hunts are permitted, are an essential and sustainable part of their conservation. I've never met a cow who volunteered to be my shoes, but then I've also never known an animal in which human care is invested, to be wasted either. I'm all for humane treatment, managed conservation and the dignity of the natural world. But really, a thread about high quality shoes is probably not the natural home of the militant vegan. Especially if you're going to just make things up. :)
     
  11. OzzyJones

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    After reading it all I came to the same conclusion.


    Would militant vegans be pro human leather? :D
     
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  12. meister

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    Just something that's come up.

    Flickr have decided to stuff around with a perfectly good system such that I can't upload a snap to a forum.

    Anyone know what's happened?
     
  13. DWFII

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    And...most, if not all, of the elephant hides coming into the US and other western countries are from animals that are culled from herds to protect the rest of the population from disease, starvation or other pressures. Most, if not all, elephant herds are, as Mimo stated, carefully managed in protected preserves. Animals that wander outside those preserves are are far more subject to indiscriminate slaughter...by locals ...than animals within. And in most of those cases the hides are left to rot in the sun while the tusks are harvested for sale in those, mostly Asian, countries where international agreements such as CITES are not respected or adhered to.

    That said, the hides of animals harvested illegally or by locals for food are not allowed to be exported or imported by countries party to CITES.

    Elephant is highly regulated by CITES and permits to export or import are not issued unless the hide can be certified as having been "legally obtained &(sic) the trade will not be detrimental to the survival of the species."
     
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  14. RogerP

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    J - thats another purchase that's so full of win. Congrats man.
     
  15. Desiette

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    The figure of 600,000 you are quoting is from 1989. African elehpants are listed as vulnerable while Asian elephants are still listed as endangered.
    You talk about a cow in which "human care" has been invested. If you can call gestation crates and the practice of shooting them up full of antibiotics, as caring.
    Next to the food industry, the fashion industry is the worst offender of animal (not to mention human) rights abuses. Iam a huge fashion phile and love high end design as much as anyone else on this forum. Designers like Stella McCartney and Mat&Nat have proven that it is indeed possible to enjoy high quality fashion without resorting to bloodbaths and peeling the skin off a newly born calf.
    So you see, this thread is exactly the place to talk about this subject. There is a lot more to fashion than just posting pics of cute shoes and asking what people think of them.
    Even from a demand/supply point of view, the resource being used needs to be sustainable. Stripping every other living creature of its skin, will leave us to face the ultimate reality of human leather, since that is all there will be left.
     
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    But that's just not true, is it?
     
  17. mimo

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    Apologies if my numbers are out of date. Where did your number of under "1000 left in the Universe" come from?
     
  18. OzzyJones

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    Exactly! I hear there are trillions of elephants on Zug
     
  19. DWFII

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    The World Wildlife fund estimates "elephant populations in southern Africa are large and expanding, with some 300,000 elephants now roaming across the sub-region." This does not include West or East African populations.

    The Elephant Database keeps track of elephant populations world-wide. The 2012 Continental Totals ("2013 AFRICA" analysis) lists, if I'm reading the charts correctly, 61,835 individuals in the "definite" ground count category and 419,120 from all other means of determining population. Most of the data is drawn up in close collaboration with the IUCN SSC African Elephant Specialist Group.

    I've seen other reports and data that suggest that the one of the major threats to elephant populations is "conflict" between elephants and local peoples. Nowhere is there any evidence that the controlled harvesting of dead, dying, or diseased individuals for the hides has any impact on elephant populations. In fact, the income derived from such harvesting is a significant percentage of the needed funding to keep preserves and parks...where elephants are protected...open. Without such protection, without the funding that comes from the harvesting, elephant populations would be in far more precarious straits than they are.

    And while this is very nearly the definition of "sustainable resource," it is worth noting that it wouldn't be happening at all...and elephants might very well be extinct already...if it weren't for the intervention of international agencies and the establishment of protected areas and protected populations.

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  20. meister

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    If you have ever been to a game park in Africa you would appreciate what overpopulation of elephants can do to vegetation.
     

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