Shoe Damage Report & Shoe P0rn Central - Part II

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  1. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    How am I off the point? You brought up the "conspiracy theory." I merely observed that like so many who base their opinions on assumptions (subjective) and preconceived biases, what you think you're seeing (conspiracy) may not, in fact be what is going on. Just because you have a hammer doesn't mean everything outside your experience is a nail.
     


  2. Burton

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    Good year welting is now responsible the decline of the human race??
     


  3. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    By that logic, you suggest that only the superficial means anything to you.

    The norvegese is ugly...in my opinion (subjective).I suspect it is meant to be.
     
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  4. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Pardon me for being so pan-humanist (which I'm really not) but since when does "western societies" equate to the "human race?"

    And since when does an historically informed observation about the inevitable slide to greater and greater..and cheaper and cheaper...levels of expediency, in shoe manufacturing, equate to the "decline" of the human race?

    Pardon me if I observe that it is you...with this kind of assumption and hyperbole...that is dragging this conversation into realms unknown.
     
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  5. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Senior member

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    Many repair man use machine and sew welt anywhere.
    It ruin welt after not many resole and shorten life of shoe very much for many shoe.
    Some man have good repair man and they sew it good and many resole can happen.
    Many man have bad repair man and they sew it bad and not many resole can happen.
    Many repair man l speak to sew the blake stitch anywhere and ruin insole,
    they not care.

    yes,
    me very simple man to. :nodding:
     
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  6. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    That's correct. Some don't even bother to pull the old stitches. But note that I said "conscientious." (Just to make sure we are on the same page.)
     


  7. Burton

    Burton Senior member

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    No you keep missing this point and I can't tell if it is willful or just . . . Anyway, I will try with words to show what Upnorth demonstrated with his picure a few pages back. It is not a choice between great stitching and shitty stitching. It is a choice between great and very good. You folks are saying, it isn't very good. Its terrible (and now I believe it is the cause of the financial mess and the decline of western civilization) and we should be ashamed for paying $1,000 or more for a goodyear welted shoe. We are just asking you to provide some evidence of this shoddy (pun intended) wormanship. Not a one off picture of a gem failure but--something compelling. You know, a box of failed gems. You can't, if it happens, it is rare. Which brings us back to the original point--the gem conspiracy is much ado about nothing.
     
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  8. Burton

    Burton Senior member

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    Good - you recognized my hyperbole. That isn't the problem. The problem is - you actually believe you have stumbled on to something.
     
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  9. Son Of Saphir

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    Yes yes.
    We on same page,
    me see that before.
    You write very very good.
     


  10. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Senior member

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    .........
     
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  11. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Senior member

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    Gem failure not rare,
    it common.
    You ask repair factory that resole many many pair,
    you ring them on telephone and see.
    Dwfii is right,
    he know these thing.
    lt possible many man have gem failure and not know it.
    May be your gem fail to. :nest:
    Many man lose his gem,
    it very very bad. :violin:
     
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    I have asked, and I have been told it is very rare. In fact, I asked an 85 year old Italian shoe repairman who has been in the business for his entire life, and he said he cannot ever remember seeing it--but maybe he forgot something that happened in 1955. You never know.
     
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  13. Burton

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    I can't wait until we can discuss Church's shoes.
     


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    This true.
    Shoe fits different to.
    Can feel it.

    Gem fail not means shoe will come apart.
    Maybe maybe not.

    Scratch all that. This instead.
    "many man have gem failure and not know it." This very very true. They blame it on women.
     


  15. isshinryu101

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    Your Arrogance is on FULL DISPLAY for all to see. You are obviously free to your opinion on what is beautiful & what is ugly. The way you express this opinion is laughable. Classic Defense Mechanism.
     


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