Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oyaji, Feb 20, 2010.
I'm interested in which EG shoes you have experience with, whether or not they were new in the box and what models you feel look like which C&J model? I'm not going into the BB thread to check but my guess is those members who mistook C&J for EGs are as equally inexperienced on this front as you.
I did say he has a ways to go
EGs are sublime and solid. I can understand where he's coming from at this stage in his collecting as in all of the shoes I've owned and seen after EG I really had no interest in trying G&G et el. I may try Lobb but I'm not jumping out of any windows to do so.
See, this is subjective because a large part of a shoe's value is how they fit the individual. To illustrate I put confidence in EG because aside from the materials and finish quality, they fit me perfectly. And the trees fit the shoes perfectly. So much so that if I showed you a pair I had and wore that were purchased two years ago you'd think they were still new.
Shoes I'd put on par with or above C&J benchgrade so you can test that theory:
Grenson Rose -
Alfred Sargent Premier -
Joseph Cheaney Premier -
All of these sold for less than the price of C&Js benchgrade lines IIRC. There may be more but they either escape my memory or I don't have experience with them. BTW, I believe I have done a more comprehensive list under my former sn bigbris1 if you care to search.
Hope this helps.
All very good shoes for their respective price point which was below C&J Benchgrade. It's curious that only the Benchgrade continues to thrive today, whilst the rest are extinct.
I just don't get the Cleverley chisel. It just looks completely wrong - everything is dragged forward and is out of proportion, especially if the shoe is on a slender modern last.
You can actually still find shoes from all three. I do know that all three have attempted to revamp their lines which isn't a bad thing.
C&J is a safe bit. I looked at the current Rose line (available in the Grenson shop in London), and they were, to my surprise, half leather lined whereas they used to be fully leather lined. Leather and finishing wasn't great and they'd cheaped out on the eyelets. It takes the piss.
If you're paying over £250 for a pair of shoes, I'd go to C&J. It's worth stumping up the extra £100 for Handgrade.
It's great shame that quality English shoes aren't more affordable.
Thank you for your response. I have no experience with Cheany Premier nor Grenson Rose but will take a look. I would agree with you that Alfred Sargent Premier was indeed quite a good value based on my single pair, but alas they are no longer in production and selection is limited to the remaining stock. I do have a pair of AS Exclusives on order, although they really should be compared with C&J Handgrade.
PS - I will agree with you that EGs ooze quality from every pore (based only upon handling them in the store). I'm not sure most of their last shapes/styling is largely my cuppa tea at the moment. But I can completely understand your love of them.
Unfortunately the pesky job thing is going to keep me from creating shoe porn this afternoon as planned. Here's the new group of C&J benchgrades. Lowly as they are in the shoe totem pole I still find them to be worthwhile new additions for daily wear.
Better porn will be forthcoming at some point.
I'm new in my shoe journey as well, and have to say, with NAMOR, that I too don't get EG shoes at their price point.
My experience of them has been largely limited to a visit I paid Leather Soul in Hawaii and saw a bunch of them which I handled (but did not try on). Neither the leather nor the design appealed to me; neither seemed to suggest that the price was worth it. I even saw the famed shell cordovan EG (Sandringham in Cognac); just did not see how they were better than the C&J Marlow.
Lobbs I get and own. EG - maybe the details are too subtle for me at this point in my evolution, and I know I don't know a lot.. Although I doubt I will ever get a feel of them, unless again like NAMOR I get my hands on a Shannon.
G, those loafers are the sechs. And don't let anyone hate on C&J. Style wise there are more eye catching out there, sure, but I have never worn a more consistently comfortable maker.
Glad to see you're sticking with the browns!
I like the horizontal lines of the carpet tiles with the loafers and the vertical lines w/the lace-ups.
Based on what you just wrote and the shoes for sale in your sig I'd say you qualify for a, go sit down, son.
EG offers high quality, classic styles in attractive lasts that are ageless. I challenge any one of you to mention another maker in the same league that offers the same.
And before you embarrass yourselves, Lobb styles are hit and miss even if the quality is there.
Nice haul. Looks like you got 2 Mertons, a Drummond and a Connaught. Come back in two years and show me those same shoes and then we can have a real discussion
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