Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oyaji, Feb 20, 2010.
I never required anyone to die to make me the arbiter of taste, I just am.
Edit: As to your make up - I cannot possibly see how, but if you wish to spend the money enjoy! You, of course, can always sell them on ebay.
Rider's steals and deals
Grenson (Stuart's Choice from Paul Stuart) Wolfson in black calf
with the Eden from RLPL (by EG)
color 8 ptb
thx guys- hell of a last- one of the better chisels
he's such a kind person, quasi. btw, how is the foster guy doing?
they went down rather quick?
LOL yes, like everyone else on the internetz.
Knowing this as you do, then why does my opinion bother you so much and why do you seek my approval?
Stetson Saratoga in Black Alligator
*Note the mild spade sole & contrast white welt stitching. Classic 1940's design.
Looks like you're not an internet expert in sarcasm either, huh.
We can go back and forth all day with this (cough cough) witty repartee but the fact remains that your basic premise - that shell cordovan = casual leather and thus = casual shoe - is flawed. That was built on... what? The creasing pattern of shell? The so-called waterproof-ness of it, which if you had experience with shell, would know is heavily overrated?
Even referencing so-called orthodoxy the concept of a cordovan monkstrap still passes. A monk is a derby. A derby is intrinsically not a formal shoe. Cordovan is not thought of as a formal leather. The format accepts the combination, easily.
And even if it didn't, so what? Are you going to expand your antipathy to cover suede oxfords? Pebble-grained monks? Cordovan oxfords? Sleek lasted cordovan? Clunky lasted calf?
And we're not even considering the influence of colour? Or of last shape - elegant vs clunky?
Were Stetson's expensive in their day? I was wearing Barker Black Captoes once and this guy who looked like Thelonius Monk told me my shoes looked like this old brand he hasn't seen in a long time called Stetsons.
I appreciate that you belive my opinion flawed. I also appreciate that you don't understand my opinion. We can agree to disagree on those items. As to my knowledge of shell cordovan, and your comments on my knowledge--would be like me commenting on your knowledge of atomic particle science. However, I would have one advantage I have seen your thoughts on other matters. I still cannot see why you continue justify yourself to someone you believe so ignorant. Confounded.
Even In the mid 60s they were still priced with or above most high-end shoes (JM, Bally, Nettleton, etc.). Stetson were in the $30-$35 range for calf leather.
They were famous for their split toes!!!! Smoother than EG's Dovers
Note: from 1955
more shoe ads from 1955
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