Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oyaji, Feb 20, 2010.
That toecap is a bit Lodgerish but they look far better made
I've really fallen in love with these Bally Scribes now. Was on the fence before but they are beautifully ugly in my opinion...
Ugly? HELL NO! Excellent shoes. a true man's dub monk. Congrats on a great choice.
Biggest, Baddest (and Widest) Spade Soled shoes I've ever seen. Captoed Spades by Steubener, circa 1930's.
Although there is cracking throughout the leather, I have spent the last 3 months steadily conditioning them with a variety of products. When I got them, they were so dry clouds of dust would form if you tried to put them on. The leather is now soft again. No real danger in worsening the cracking. One error in judgment led me to use a product which DID condition, but also darkened the cracks, but it's a lesson learned. It's a true "trial and error" situation when learning to deal with ancient shoes, but working with this pair was well worth it for the education.
Since these, I've worked with a few pairs that were extremely dry and brittle, but hadn't yet cracked. Over 2-3 months, I've been able to bring the leather back to wearable condition.
Sadly, this pair is a 1/2 size too small for me. No way to know this until AFTER I put in the work because it was a danger to wear them until now. I plan to save these & eventually have a bespoke pair made that fit!
Funny to note, I've seen countless pairs of John Lobbs & JM Westons that were less than half the age of these, but had MUCH worse cracking issues. Go figure.
I have them (are these brown? mine are burgundy ) and love them. I only wore them twice, but if i remember well they feel very solid and a bit heavy. I wore them with some grey flannel Cucinelli cashmere trousers.
As tanning processes have been modified to accommodate the "factory mentality"--sped up, in other words--leather quality has gone down...and down.
That said...and even if the leather feels really good...I wouldn't wear these much, if at all, if I were you. Once a leather, particularly vegetable tanned leather, dries out beyond a certain point, nothing will revive it. Museums use a special oil to conserve old leather, but it never really repairs or reverses the damage.
excellent insight on leather quality, my friend! Nothing beats experience, as you consistently prove. As for wearability, I am in 100% agreement here. This pair was too far gone to be saved for wearing purposes. Although softened, the leather bits would fall off if scraped hard. A beautiful (in a 'frankenstein's monster' way) example of 30's style, though.
i love the stitching detiailing on the monsters isshinryu101
I picked these up off of ebay - figured I would take a shot what with the return service:
However, I am not sure they are actually C&J
Anyone could shed a light on this?
wow i love how the patina has gone so dark
The nail pattern in the heel suggests Sargent.
Thanks a lot! Good identification.
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