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Shoe Damage Report & Shoe P0rn Central - Part II

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oyaji, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    Now that's what I call a sole ;)
     
  2. PipersSon

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    I am not sure how to reply to this especially after I took the trouble to write a (IMO) thought out response; in return I seem to come across direct insults, vaguely grandiose statements and barely coherent challenges.

    I know you have knowledge because I've seen your previous posts; but you need to do better. So far you've done a lot worse.



    Not sure why you're giving the girly laugh?
     
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  3. isshinryu101

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    That's what I call a classic 1930's- 1940's SPADE SOLE!
     
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  4. isshinryu101

    isshinryu101 Senior member

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    NORE, we get it, youre a EG whore. Now shut up already.
     
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  6. chogall

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    Just find it ludicrous when you said you can't find where EG is better than C&J bench grade.

    EDIT: [​IMG]is girly? hmmmmm
     
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  7. chogall

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    I am by no means an expert in shoes, but which part of C&J hand grade (thought to be a value competitor to EG) is not 'objectively' better than C&J bench grade?

    In my experience, sole stitching for C&J bench grade are hit and misses, sometimes stitched close to the edge of the welt. But it could be just my luck.
     
  8. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Senior member

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    The st crispin look well made.
    cheap camera get very funny,
    not good like new.
     
  9. NAMOR

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    the pics dont do this boot justice but they look magnificent nonetheless. well done, J
     
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    incredible how well these have held up.
     
  11. PipersSon

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    I said I have seen the Marlow and the shell Sandringham, and did not see how the latter trumped the former. You generalized it to include all C&J benchgrade and all EG.

    I said it in the spirit of starting a discussion and perhaps learning something new; you took it as a challenge. Give all of those, yes coming from you it seems girly.
     
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    Uncle - a sweet combo.
     
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    Pics?


    ...and it's all right...



    what's he sayin'?


    Thanks for the feedback, gents. Not only do these look fine but they fit me like a glove right out of the box. The calf is black/brown and generally looks dark brown in most light.
     
  14. gyasih

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    If you can consistently show me a pair of handgrades that command 350 GBP, I am on them!
     
  15. isshinryu101

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    emoticons are somewhat feminine in general...
     
  16. cwh812

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    I'd like to jump into this debate. Rather than seen and handled, I have owned both the Marlow (RL Darlton) and the shell Sandringham. I sold my Marlow's within 3 wears about 1.5-2 years ago as they didn't really fit my style. I bought my Sandringham's recently from Leather Soul. The EG quality is there. It is not in the shell leather which I believe is sourced from the same place - Horween. To focus solely on the leather you dismiss EG's superior finishing, last, shoe trees, etc... The Sandringham's happened to cost me almost 4x the amount of the Marlow's - were they 4x better quality? Heck no. Are they better quality shoes, definitely yes.

    I think it would be unfair to only use shell shoes as a comparison when shell is almost always sourced from the same place and it is hard to really differentiate between. I have owned both the Lowndes and the Westminister. I can say without a doubt the the EG's are far superior to the C&J in every aspect. The quality of calf leather is just not even close.

    I also have owned Lobbs and while I love their colors and designs, their lasts just don't fit my foot as well as EG's.
     
  17. PipersSon

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    Thanks, this is very informative. I agree that using only shell is not an appropriate comparison, However I did look at the other (non-cordovan) EG shoes and am not sure why they were regarded as highly as they are.

    I'd like to make it clear that (a) I only handled the shoes and did not actually wear them, (b) I'm not saying EG shoes don't have the quality at that price point; that would be foolish. Only that I do not see that quality at the price point and am willing to learn why others who wear the shoes/ know more than me do so.

    Now, getting back to what is most important to me in this conversation, i.e understanding why the are regarded so highly, you would say far superior leather, finish, shoe trees, the way that they fit you, right?
     
  18. isshinryu101

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    To hold the C&J Handgrade vs the EG in one's hands there IS a difference. The details are simply done better in the EG. Finer stitching. More consistent finishing. The finer points have been emphasized, and the result is (in my opinion, anyway) a finer overall product. EG is also said to be a more comfortable shoe. I can't say either way because I sold my EG's & my C&J HG's before the 3rd wearing. If you take the majority view (on this site, anyway), the fit & comfort nod probably also goes to the EG.

    That said, I am of the belief that almost all the EG offerings are simply "Vanilla Ice Cream". No chocolate sauce, no whipped cream, no sprinkles, no cherry on top. EXCELLENT Vanilla IC, but simply PLAIN!. From a coupla feet away, the C&J HG looks pretty much exactly like the EG. BOTH brands suffer from this malady, I think. I KNOW my taste is way Over The Top for most here, but the emergence of G&G as the "Most Approved SF Brand" says something about the emergence of "something a little different & special" as the new preference among Fine Shoe Lovers. Even the Saint Crispins I've been seeing lately have been trying to "do their own thing" rather than simply make "Their Version" of a traditional style. Bestetti has his own Porn Thread, and he's working with all kinds of exotic skins & New Takes on classic styles like the Penny Loafer... making them exciting & unique.

    If you want an extra fine version of a plain traditional style, EG is a TOP choice... but if you want something a little different (and at their price point, more & more former customers are moving in different directions), it's best to look elsewhere.


    Side note: EG still has some very interesting takes on boots, and I would still entertain owning a pair of them, as they still are unique in today's marketplace.
     
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  19. Jermyn

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    Here are my EG purchases from 2011:

    [​IMG]

    I think that the above selection shows how diverse the range of lasts, colours and styles of EG shoes are.

    Purple austerity brogues, blue bucks, olive wholecuts - vanilla ice cream? Really?


    After seeing what has to be the most impressive list of shoe purchases in one year, ever; I decided to compile my own "junior year" list:

    Alfred Sargent (BB) Chelsea Boots Black
    Church’s wingtips Brown
    Church’s brogue boots dainite studded leather sole Brown
    Cleverley Wholecuts Black
    St Crispins wingtips Tan
    Edward green wholecuts Chameleon
    Edward Green Brummel Nightshade
    Edward Green unlined penny loafers Blue Nubuck
    Edward Green (RLPL) Semi Brogue Oxfords Black
    Edward Green Sandhursts Brown
    John Lobb Single Monks Burgundy
    Meermin suede semi brogue Oxfords Chocolate Brown
    Trickers Opera Pumps, unpinched bow, Black calf
    Vass Budapesters Cognac

    And just for fun: avg price per pair of shoes: £230 :slayer: (RLPL EG kopped on B&S, all others bought New)
     
  20. swiego

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    Those look like vanilla ice cream to me: simple, plain shoes, everyday work shoes. Admittedly it's hard to see pizazz due to the lighting in the picture. The shoe trees are lovely.

    My experience mirrored a couple of others; I own some C&J handgrade shoes, and have handled-with-intent-to-purchase EG on several occasions. Each time I found myself backing down, because I could not see a difference. Stitching was similar, leathers were similar, quality of internal finishing of the lining was similar. The sole was maybe a bit cleaner with EG. I did notice that EG seems to be a chunkier, heavier shoe than C&J HG; I don't have enough experience to say that this is true for any but the limited number of shoes I'm familiar with, but they did have this "we're like Alden but for England" feel to them.

    I'd be interested to see some really used EGs. The one posted above ("year old EG still porn!") frankly looks like it's been worn in office environments four or five times. I have soles of new shoes that looked like that after one half an hour walk outdoors. I think "how it held up" gets answered after the first sole replacement.
     
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