i wonder how different the finishing would be IE waist treatment etc is this including VAT ETC? Yeah good question, the stock dover comes with a double leather sole all the way through (not HAF) so I guess the waist is relatively flat. Assuming you went for a double leather sole the options on the waist would be somewhat limited. I would expect EG to encourage a HAF sole if you wanted something doing, IE nails, bevelling etc. I'm down in London in a couple of weeks, If I get chance I'll try and pop in to see what they suggest.