My current experience... Off The Rack shirts suck. Â I just bought a hugo boss shirt, I could pass a melon through the french cuffs. Â Yikes. Â and the body is cut way too full. Â The Zegna shirts I have (from ebay) are gorgeous, but the size 43 uses a 16.5 collar. Â Too Small. Â I choke all day in them. Â The Versace and Prada shirts I got on ebay are cut too full in the waist. Â And I am not so skinny. Â I have a flat stomach, but my waist is 36", and my chest is 43". Â My shoulders are a bit broad (20"-21", and my neck a 17". Â The best shirt I own is Bernardo Firenze (some obscure Italian company I guess). Â It's the only one that fits right. Â Markham of Canada is okay. Â The quality is as good as Zegna, but the cut is a little full. Â I'll tell ya, once I get my Jantzen sizing right, I'll never go back to OTR. Â I am finished with ill fitting shirts.