Shirt sleeve buttons

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  1. GQ Lawyer

    GQ Lawyer Senior member

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    OK, my biggest pet peeve is seeing someone wearing a nice dress shirt and the shirt sleeve buttons (not the cuff, but on the actual wrist) being left unbuttoned.

    Lately, however, I have noticed that everyone seems to be leaving it unbuttoned.  Am I wrong in my thinking or am I surrounded by fashion idiots?

    Thoughts?
     


  2. AmericanDevil

    AmericanDevil Active Member

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    I strongly believe in ultilitariasm when it comes to clothes. There are reasons that there are buttons there, as well as reasons that there are button holes, they go together.. My feeling is that if the clothes provide the buttons for extra coverage or support, than you should use it. The only exception is not using the belt loops because your using suspenders. If you dont want certain parts of your clothes to be buttons, there are plenty of companies that make there clothes without those buttons.
     


  3. RainCityClotheshound

    RainCityClotheshound Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Wearing a nicer dress shirt,with the benefit of a button down placket on the sleeve,looks sloppyunbuttoned,and defeats the purpose of the detailing in the first place.
     


  4. GatorStyle

    GatorStyle Senior member

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    It definitely looks sloppy. I've seen otherwise impeccably dressed men with that unbuttoned wrist (forearm?), and it just sort of spoils the complete package. Not unlike, say, wearing great suit trousers with the zipper down. Not a good look either.
     


  5. NavyStyles

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    damn it.. I voted the wrong one. Well, that one vote that says we should leave it unbuttoned-- ignore it. It was a misclick. Well anyway, I agree with you guys always buttoned.. There we go, no typos I hope. The only way I would unbutton the wrist is very casual and I flip the sleeve up twice. But not at any other time.
     


  6. j

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    It's called a gauntlet button. It's so you can roll up your cuffs easily by having a longer opening. Cheap shirts don't have them, and strangely, nor do the really expensive Hilditch & Key and Charles Tyrwhitt shirts I have. On those, I am wondering whether you are supposed to have your tailor adjust the cuffs for you and add the buttons where they need to go. Of course you have to button it. People who don't, to me, appear to have no attention for detail. In my mind, attention to detail is of paramount importance in style, and thus people who continually do things like that (no tie dimple or even an attempt, loose tie, crooked tie, gauntlet buttons undone, belt doesn't match shoes, black with navy, etc) just look lazy. On the last two I mentioned, belt/shoes and black/navy, they might be trying but just don't know the basic rules, and that's a good thing as long as they try to learn. That gives me an idea: we should start a list of commonly seen and most annoying fashion faux pas; I'd be interested to see what everyone else notices that I don't (if anything [​IMG] )
     


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    What's wrong with black/navy? I know oxblood is the more standard belt/shoe color to be worn with a navy suit, but really, what's wrong with black?
     


  8. j

    j (stands for Jerk) Admin

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    Sorry, I'll clarify: No black fabric with navy fabric. e.g. no navy jacket with black pants, wear a tan, gray or navy overcoat with your navy suit, etc.

    Black is the more standard shoe to be worn with navy, actually. The oxblood/brown thing is more avant-garde and frowned upon by anal conservative types.
     


  9. davei

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    The sleeve placket and button is more practical than anything else - the cuffs are impossible to sew on without a placket. Also, when men used to wear sleeves with alot of drape (think puffed out) so their cuffs stayed in the same place all the time (arms raised/moved around), a button was necessary so there wasn't a huge gaping hole. For that reason, I agree that the sleeve placket button should always be buttoned [​IMG]
     


  10. PeterMetro

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    If this is indeed the case, should no one walk around with open collared shirts? Or should everyone button the bottom button on their sport coats, suit jackets and suit vests?

    Clearly the answer is no. The buttons are there to keep the sleeve from billowing out, as mentioned, but if you like the effect, I don't see the problem. It may look a bit sloppy by comparison, but I would be inclined to applaud the person for wearing a dress shirt in the first place; by today's standards he would look far better than the majority of men out there wearing sweatshirts and Dickies.
     


  11. gqelements

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    As a firm believer of buttoning up my sleeves, I vote for the buttoned man. However I do believe that there are some instances when the cuffs should be unbuttoned. These include plumbing emergencies, fire drills and lumberjack competitions.

    jS.
     


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    Kiton and Burini don't have them either, but I'm not complaining.
     


  13. Will Moose

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    A couple of Armani shirts I have don't have them either.
     


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    PeterMetro - well put. There is a dress code for every occasion. If you're about town wearing a sweatshirt that just don't cut it. I reckon a nice dress shirt (top button undone of course), a nice clean pair of designer jeans and leather shoes is the minimal. Leave the sweatshirt for sporting occasions.
     


  15. Timothy

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    I too agree that the gauntlet should be buttoned, but that is not my purpose for replying. Since we're talking about cuffs and buttons I wanted to bring up something that's just been bothering me for a while now. That is cuffs with double buttons. Not vertically where both can be buttoned, but horizontally where you can choose one or the other. This to me seems to be a bit sloppy, or at least I think it looks sharper to have only one button. I would go as far as cut the extra buttons off, but I don't want a bunch of small holes there where the threads once were. Anyone else feel likewise on this situation?
     


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