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Shawl collar cardigan recommendations

eHaberdasher

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can the sleeve width of the Lockie/Drake's cardigan altered to be made narrower? it' the only thing holding me back from purchasing.
Our tailor has altered (taken in) sweaters for us no problem.
 

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Where is everyone buying their William Lockie shawl cardigans from? Also, I’m 5’8 and 140lbs, will tHe size 38 work for me? Or will I need a 36 and be stuck buying it from drakes?
 
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Where is everyone buying their William Lockie shawl cardigans from? Also, I’m 5’8 and 140lbs, will tHe size 38 work for me? Or will I need a 36 and be stuck buying it from drakes?
Do you wear a size 36 jacket or 34? If 36 then the 38 should work for you.
 

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Northern Watters is one of your better options. There's also the recently revived McGeorge label, which used to be a good Scottish knitwear company, but now is just another one of those foreign-owned labels that trades on the company's Scottish heritage in name only. Current day McGeorge is owned by an Italian company. There's a seller on eBay (sarafsaraf) who sells offseason stock for about a third of the retail price. The shawl collar cardigan is $150. Quality is ... OK. Not worth what they wanted retail, but not bad for current eBay prices.

Or you can try any number of preppy RTW brands. Brooks Brothers, Ralph Lauren, Club Monaco, Gant, J. Crew, and Land's End has stocked them in the past. No idea what they have this season though. Another one that has been mentioned on boards before is Black Sheep Knitwear, but frankly, I don't think it looks very good.

The problem with ones that cost under $400 is that the shawl collar itself can be a bit thin, so it lays flat. The thing that makes the S&C, Armoury, and other high-end pieces nice is that the collar is thick, so there's some volume to it. It just makes the collar line look better, but I assume with all the multipliers throughout the manufacturing chain, that extra material is probably how you end up at a $400 price point.
McGeorge used to make the shawl collar cardigan in 8 ply cashmere
@emptym Armoury's isn't made by Johnstons FWIW.
 

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I& D McGeorge, Dumphries made a beautiful 8 ply cashmere cardigan..Kuhnert was the US agent
 

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If anyone is still looking for options, Spier & Mackay just dropped their version yesterday:

(...although as a Canadian I'd still back the domestically made Northern Watters esp their VC7 cardigan. I think it looks great in the photos).
 

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North Sea Clothing is another option. I actually own this one and it's very dense and very warm.

 

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That North Sea is nice looking. I already own the Dehen 1920 shawl collar sweater-jacket, as well as a Cordings shawl so I'm not in the market, but I do also like the look of the North Sea Submariner turtleneck.
 

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The North Sea Submariner is an intense bit of knitwear.
Definitely most suitable for the outdoors or interiors no longer benefiting from central heating.
 

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The North Sea Submariner is an intense bit of knitwear.
Definitely most suitable for the outdoors or interiors no longer benefiting from central heating.
That’s my only reservation. Living in Northern California, but not San Francisco, I have few occasions to wear a sweater like this. I’d be interested in picking one up on the secondary market (preferably new) but don’t really see these on the B&S forum. Do these go on sale at end of season every year?
 

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That’s my only reservation. Living in Northern California, but not San Francisco, I have few occasions to wear a sweater like this. I’d be interested in picking one up on the secondary market (preferably new) but don’t really see these on the B&S forum. Do these go on sale at end of season every year?
He occasionally puts them on sale, though not with a regular schedule that I've recognized.
I've picked up two of his knits second hand from Ebay. Both at a considerable discount, and due to the quality with very little signs of wear.
 

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Just wanted to add in the following brand for consideration.


I've managed to get a hold of one. It's knit by Scott & Charters with Z.Hinchcliffe wool (just as from NMWA) but from a lighter yarn. It's plush whilst remaining fairly light. Cut slimmer and shorter for a "modern silhouette" it's lovely to wear. But ff you're looking for something super luxurious and indulgent it's not quite at the level of it's competitors.
 

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