SF Music Club - The Albums

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  1. indesertum

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    well it's not like ppl think of it as indie music just because pitchfork said so... highly doubt anybody even read it
     


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    well it's not like ppl think of it as indie music just because pitchfork said so... highly doubt anybody even read it



    I'm not talkin about this album in particular, just it seems that whenever someone hears the 'indie' tag applied to something, they automatically think of the website that gave 'merriweather post pavillion' a higher score than 'let it be' and sort of resent it for stuff like that.
     


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    The last time I read Pitchfork was circa 2002.

    Back then, their aesthetic was quite in line with what I disliked about 'indie' music. No idea if it remains that way.
     


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    I often find myself liking the same music they do - it's just that the bands they like, they like too much, and slob all over them to a ridiculous extent.
     


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    I enjoyed Carrie Brownstein's blog on the Bearding of indie. http://www.npr.org/blogs/monitormix/..._skidding.html
    Her own band was crap, and she ignored bands like No Age, Times New Viking, Fucked Up, Fuck Buttons, Japandroids, Lightning Bolt, Akron/Family, Hella, etc. Pitchfork has covered all of these bands that I have mentioned in addition to the easy listening side of indie rock, in addition to a fair amount of other genres. To say you don't like Pitchfork's coverage is to say you don't like contemporary music in general.
     


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    Her own band was crap, and she ignored bands like No Age, Times New Viking, Fucked Up, Fuck Buttons, Japandroids, Lightning Bolt, Akron/Family, Hella, etc. Pitchfork has covered all of these bands that I have mentioned in addition to the easy listening side of indie rock, in addition to a fair amount of other genres. To say you don't like Pitchfork's coverage is to say you don't like contemporary music in general.

    The Jonas Brothers...
     


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    Their existence is a natural evolution from that totem of intelligent subversiveness known as Hanson.
     


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    Her own band was crap, and she ignored bands like No Age, Times New Viking, Fucked Up, Fuck Buttons, Japandroids, Lightning Bolt, Akron/Family, Hella, etc. Pitchfork has covered all of these bands that I have mentioned in addition to the easy listening side of indie rock, in addition to a fair amount of other genres.

    She doesn't mention Pitchfork at all. I didn't mention Pitchfork in reference to her column. And back when I read Pitchfork they "covered" the shite bland indie along with mainstream stuff and rap - but no one in their right mind would have claimed that the rap reviews were part of their aesthetic. Except when they used the reviews to make fun of rap.

    She doesn't ignore those bands, she merely didn't list every band out there - but she does have this paragraph: "Yes, there was Andrew W.K., Jay Reatard, The Gossip, The Thermals, The White Stripes and The Black Keys -- and plenty of awesome, more obscure bands that still tore into their guitars, unearthing exciting and misshapen sounds, from Deerhunter to Explode into Colors to Black Mountain." Which covers your complaint on that end.

    This is insane. Pitchfork is one voice in a rather large sea. Maybe they've improved since I stopped reading, maybe not - from what I gather, their dominant demographic remains fey white college hipsters.
     


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    Though in truth I've got some measure of pity for anyone who takes such a cue from a single source that "Pitchfork equals contemporary music."
     


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    She doesn't mention Pitchfork at all. I didn't mention Pitchfork in reference to her column. And back when I read Pitchfork they "covered" the shite bland indie along with mainstream stuff and rap - but no one in their right mind would have claimed that the rap reviews were part of their aesthetic. Except when they used the reviews to make fun of rap.

    She doesn't ignore those bands, she merely didn't list every band out there - but she does have this paragraph: "Yes, there was Andrew W.K., Jay Reatard, The Gossip, The Thermals, The White Stripes and The Black Keys -- and plenty of awesome, more obscure bands that still tore into their guitars, unearthing exciting and misshapen sounds, from Deerhunter to Explode into Colors to Black Mountain." Which covers your complaint on that end.


    I only mentioned Pitchfork because you mentioned it first. They were separate posts, but they were consecutive.

    Her paragraph covers my complaint, but then it equally nullifies her. What is she lamenting? That the "indie rock" genre is so diverse that it is not much of a descriptor?

    Though in truth I've got some measure of pity for anyone who takes such a cue from a single source that "Pitchfork equals contemporary music."

    Don't get snide just because you've lost touch.
     


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    So I listened the album when it was posted here front to back but wanted to give it one more listen before I post. I think it's well done but I don't think there's a song on it that I would like to listen on it's own. The album as a whole is horribly sad.
     


  15. milosz

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    I only mentioned Pitchfork because you mentioned it first. They were separate posts, but they were consecutive.
    But since her blog had nada to do with Pitchfork...

    Erm... no. She's discussing the dominant mode of indie for the last, say, six or seven years. (I blame Conor Oberst.) Obviously Brownstein doesn't think all of it has been shit - and she even compliments some of the blander acts - and points out the areas of non-mainstream music that have been wild and experimental.

    'Indie' has certain pornographic connotations these days - we know it when we see it. Times New Viking, The Antlers and the Drive-By Truckers are all theoretically "indie-rock" - but if you were to ask a somewhat musically knowledgable individual (or a PFork reader) their genres, you probably wouldn't get indie as an answer to the first and third.


    But it's just so pathetic. Not only that your idea of contemporary music (presumably good contemporary music) is received from external sources, but that you think one particular source suffices as a source.
     


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