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Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by oldskool, Jan 7, 2005.

  1. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Um, I don't know what to say except that you obviously don't understand the stock market and that odds are that you are going to be in for some fucked up relationships. Sorry dude, but stupid is stupid.

    Seriously. oldskool, I would take Fabienne's advice. Very smart woman, that one. Fantasies are one thing, but the reality is something, well, a little different. Anyone whose been on a porn set can tell you that (Ventura County is the porn industry headquarters of North America.) If you have any doubts about stuff like that at all, don't go there.
     
  2. Valmont

    Valmont Senior member

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    Stupid is taking something out of context and commenting on it when you obvisouly have no clue what you're talking about. Go beyond the basics that any regular Joe can pick up in an intro to finance course and you'll see the complexities.  Putting aside the fact that the market from the perspective of traders and analysts often is zero-sum there is also a lot of discussion in the academic world. We actually had to read an interesting NBER working paper, about the markt being zero-sum in the long term, for a global investment course back in the days.  If you really want to dwell into the discussion of stupidness I could probably dig it up for you.

    Oh and as for me having "fucked up relationships" as you called it you're right about that one, but that's a completely different issue and more related to my messed up luck and unwillingness to compromise...
     
  3. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Yeah, smart guy, huh? First of all, I *do* think that we can put aside the perspective of pretty much all the traders and (some) analysts because these are all "players" perspectives. Â They often don't have a particularly firm theoretical understanding of the market, which is what we are talking about here. As for working papers. Â Oh, so you read one? Â Golf clap, mofo. Â Working papers are written primarily for audiences without particularly strong mathematical backgrounds. Â Talk about not understanding something and commenting on in like Rush Limbaugh on global climate change. Â Some very good friends of mine are world class economists (check out how many first rate economists with game theory backgrounds come out of Caltech and I think that you'll be surprised,) and so I get my info from primary sources, not "working papers" I had to read in class. Â Yeah, not at all surprised about your relationships. Â And this is not an ad hominen attack, but the phrase "unwillingness to compromise..." usually translates into "I'm a dick and don't understand why a girl can't accept that." Â Don't bring it unless you've got strong constitution friend. typo edited.
     
  4. Valmont

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    haha discussing with you is obviously useless so this will be the end of it.

    Oh you get your info from first class economists, hehe good for you. You guys chill out on the b-ball court and listen to gangsta rap too when discussing economic issues?? With your lingo you could probably easily befriend some thugs who could give you some first hand info on economic aspects of mugging.

    Grow up dude, calling someone a mofo is really not that mature in the civilzed part of the world.
     
  5. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Sometimes. Actually, the best economist I know is a woman. She really wouldn't be interested in you, just from reading your previous post. BTW, just because I'm an academic doesn't mean that I can't have a little fun with words, especially when responding to a particularly asinine point.

    Seems like you really have nothing left in the tank though, do you?
     
  6. auto90403

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    Anyone whose been on a porn set can tell you that (Ventura County is the porn industry headquarters of North America.)

    i thought the porn industry was HQed in the san fernando valley.
     
  7. Valmont

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    The tank is full man but there is no need to bring out the heavy artillery to shoot down a harmless bird. If we were on the basket ball court and I slammed dunked you back to your rookie games at caltech then you'd be justified in calling me a mofo but if you wanna be taken seriously chill out with the street lingo.

    Your arguments are so silly I don't even know where to start. Oh you have friends who are world class economists, so what? Are you one yourself or do they just give you private tutoring sessions? My father is the cheif economist at the investment banking branch of Handelsbanken but it doesn't give me any more first hand info about the complexities of financial markets then the next guy.  Personally I think throwing out a comment like that is childish and just serves to hide your own ignorance.  

    Analysts generally have a much better understanding of the market than most first class economists, because we don't live inside economic models. Real life perspective is the key my friend, analysts who mess around with technical analysis are just as bad because they've lost touch with reality. When I said that the market is zero-sum I was referring to this real life perspective. If I win some poor schmuck next door loses, you don't get into banking to make friends.  

    Now since you had to go and take my comments out of context I metioned that there are even academic studies that support the theory of the market being zero-sum.  I'm not a financial guru but I know this at the end of the day most academics with their firm understanding of mathematics and economic theories go on to write textbooks or becoming professors while analysts and even the traders hoard in the dough. That's enough constitution for me friend.

    BTW as for your female economist friend, I could probably say that the feeling is mutual.  I like a nice blonde trophy gf whose main concern every day is to plan what she's gonna wear tomorrow. Thinkers are such a drag...
     
  8. ken

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    I've been thinking about this a little, lately. It seems that a market relying heavily on natural resources cannot be zero-sum.
    Take prehistoric agriculture-based societies, for example. Obviously, their economies were not zero-sum because they got loads of stuff for free from the earth. The trick is to figure out how that still relates to economy today. I don't think I'm that far off w/saying that, so long as we keep getting stuff for free from Earth, zero sum is impossible. A pound of coal doesn't cost the same amount it did to dig it up, move it, etc.
     
  9. LA Guy

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    No, I don't get private lessons - my first hand (really second hand) knowledge comes from asking these people about concepts like that. So no, I may not personally know that much about the complexities of the system (and there seem to be many,) but world class authorities on the subject seem to disagree with your views, and discoursed in length to me about the zero-sum idea. You seem to have gleaned your information from reading one paper and accepted that. Is all.

    This is so stupid that I don't know where to begin. How about with simple, straight forward analogy that even you might understand. The analysts and traders raking in the dough are like the Gorillas that Jane Goodall studied. The serious academic economists are like Jane Goodall. They are interested in understanding the apes, not in being the toughest gorilla in the jungle. Comprende?

    Are you joking, or are you seriously dedicated to having blue balls for the rest of your life? If you want the latter, just be yourself. But hey, who knows? Some *dumb* young blande might just be smart enough to take all of daddy's money away from you someday. Here's to hoping.

    BTW, for someone who is apparently unconcerned with my comments, you seem unable to restrain yourself. Why is that, my well spoken friend who is so adamantly against the use of slang?
     
  10. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    You're absolutely right. My apologies for the incorrect info earlier. I'm rapidly losing my sense of LA geography and I had n idea that Ventura was completely incorrect. Should've gone with my gut feelings. The San Fernando Valley is the true Silicon Valley of NA.
     
  11. Valmont

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    Must say I'm surprised at the thought processes of some of you. If say you would never find yourself in a situation with one of your buddies and one girl, well OK, but to say it is a bi or gay thing is stupid. It is perfectly possible for both guys to interact with the girl without touching or even looking at each other.

    On the other hand, messing around with someone's wife drastically increases one's chances of getting beat to a pulp. Or shot.
     
  13. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Hey Valmont,

    I imagine that you are styling yourself after Sebastian Valmont from Dangerous Liaisons, which was essentially a teenybopper remake of Dangerous Liasons, after Choderlos De Laclos' "Les Liaisons Dangereuses". Didn't really get the movies nor the book, did you? That's alright, bro. You can pick up some Coles notes at your local bookstore.

    I see, no empirical evidence or logical arguments to back up your claims so you resort to attacking "intellectuals". Classy. BTW, if you can give some referenced, "intellectual" materials to me backing up your claims, I'll get you a full essay on the subject (I think someone I know is due to write a review article anyway) written by someone with more credibility than either of us.

    Nice. Now I am really believing you. Guys with real confidence and success need to post about their big swinging dicks on an anonymous internet forum. Listen, why don't you at least post your picture? Holdup a sign saying "Look, this is how awesome I am" and maybe I'll be able to take you seriously.
     
  14. Valmont

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    Hey,

    No again you're wrong. Valmont is one my last names, my father is persian and my mother french canadian so they decided to give me both of their names.  If you're really interested I'd be more than happy to give you my entire hyphenated last name but as a username on an internet forum it would not work. As for the movie yes I've seen it but haven't read the book no. Either way you should know that the obnoxius character that Phillipe plays in the movie is not the only one with the name Valmont, try going to Montreal you'll find quite a number of them.

    As for my picture you should find at least one that works in the photo section, or whatever you guys call.  I don't need to hold up any sign to state the obvious and I'm not trying to prove anything on this forum other than maybe the fact that you're acting very stupidly for your age. When you start making stupid comments about my personality and relationships, I think I'm justified in correcting you. You really should learn how to behave comments like that to a stranger at a club could get you seriously beaten up, but it's easy just writing stuff anonymously on the internet isn't it??

    The man who likens analysts and traders to gorillas and apes wants empirical evidence, are you kidding me? Just a final piece of advice, sometimes saying nothing and appearing stupid is better than opening your mouth and proving that very fact.

    Have a nice life friend.

    /chris
     
  15. Concordia

    Concordia Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think the real question here is not whether a gentleman would sleep with another man's wife. Plenty of "gentlemen" have done precisely that for years, and to a large degree, her marriage is her business.

    The more pertinent question is, would a gentleman cheat on his own wife/fianceÃ[​IMG]?
     
  16. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Whatever. Obviously we disagree on a lot of things - economics, how to treat women (although I recall that you are younger than me, and I wasn't all that different from you at your age, although I didn't bring it up on an internet forum.) We're not going to like each other more for having this discussion, and we're both Canadian expats, it seems, so let's just call it square. I actually find it quite refreshing to be called stupid though - really hasn't happened in years except during breakups - and that is a different context altogether.

    As for the name thing, yes, I know that there are plenty of Valmonts in Montreal. I went to Queen's for undergrad, but one of my best friends was at McGill, and so I was there quite a lot. I thought that you had talked about Sebastian valmont in an earlier post, thus my statements. Must have been someone else. *That* I do apologize for.

    As for fights in clubs, well, I'm not a huge guy by any stretch of the imagination, but I do have a condition that causes misunderstandings sometimes in clubs (as others on the forum who know or have met me would immediately understand) so I try to avoid fights when I can - but lots of years means lots of fights, and you learn to deal. Besides, and more to the point, you wouldn't expect a stranger to give each other advice on relationships and 3-ways not, would you? The internet is something else altogether.

    Cheers. Have a nice life.

    Fok.
     
  17. nightowl6261a

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    Here Here, cheers to the man that said that...it took this long, but what a mind. [​IMG]
     

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