1. Hi. We moved systems, and because it was impossible to achieve feature parity between the systems, we opted to archive the old B&S threads but allow users to read them so that they can put them into our new B&S system.

    There is a support thread if you have any issues.

    Cheers,

    Fok.

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Discussion in 'B&S Archive' started by j, Feb 19, 2008.

  1. rnoldh

    rnoldh Senior member

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    I don't care if people want to make different identities to talk to themselves. Just not in B&S.

    Really. It's just embarrassing for me. If you aren't positive that you are higher tech than like 98% of people, just don't try. I've been kind of light-grey-hat for going on 15-16 years now. You should just assume the same about any website owner. And this is some seriously remedial effort.


    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Yeah, dual or triple or whatever # of identities would be entertaining. Imagine if someone were arguing with themselves in the CE thread. You could be for Obama, Hillary, McCain and no one at the same time.

    Or commenting on their own posts in WAYWRN in the same thread.

    How about giving romantic, or financial advice to themselves.

    The possibilities are endless.
     


  2. lee_44106

    lee_44106 Senior member

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    funny haha, so what's for sale?
     


  3. speedster.8

    speedster.8 Senior member

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    Yeah, but are you doing it to avoid a rule about not bumping? If you're in the same building, there's no reason to ask in the thread. (In our case.) BTW, it's not just the IP, but that's all I'm going to show people.
    They might not even be in the same company, there are several business centers that share infrastructure, gigabit in out, but common firewall and common browsing IP. But J is probably seeing OS (patches) browser (inc addons) and if the computer owner has not turned of intels chip numbering, he leaves a unique no [​IMG] And there is the question of cokies ... I remember the cookie monster on the Muppet show. [​IMG] I must be a confusing member [​IMG] I think i brows with 8 different machines from 4 distinct isp's ... possibly 5os's and a couple of different browsers .... Id actually like to see my log, maybe J can send me, Id like that ... thanks Speed
     


  4. Holdfast

    Holdfast Senior member

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    I admin at another board (not on the tech side, just on the moderating side) and there are a few others things one can look at to spot duals as well as IP. But frankly, it's not all that difficult to set up a proxy and then there's little one can do.

    Still, it's nice when duals are easy to spot. [​IMG]
     


  5. whacked

    whacked Senior member

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    God, I thought there was no way to make the fat-free cottage cheese that I'm eating enjoyable, but I've been proved wrong!
    Try mixing in peanut butter or fruit yogurt. Your taste bud will be grateful forever after.


    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Yeah, dual or triple or whatever # of identities would be entertaining. Imagine if someone were arguing with themselves in the CE thread. You could be for Obama, Hillary, McCain and no one at the same time.

    ...

    How about giving romantic, or financial advice to themselves.


    Wait, so you are telling me that iammatt, edmorel, and GQGeek are not the same person? [​IMG]
     


  6. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    Wait, so you are telling me that iammatt, edmorel, and GQGeek are not the same person? [​IMG]
    Iammatt outed me as both Manton and Artisan Fan once.
     


  7. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I'm FNB.
     


  8. j

    j (stands for Jerk) Admin

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    I admin at another board (not on the tech side, just on the moderating side) and there are a few others things one can look at to spot duals as well as IP. But frankly, it's not all that difficult to set up a proxy and then there's little one can do.

    Still, it's nice when duals are easy to spot. [​IMG]

    Except banning known proxy server IPs (ranges), which I've started doing. Most people aren't industrious enough to set up their own or find an obscure one, so this solves most of that.
     


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    chorse123 Senior member

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    Interesting that "sophman" posted in the other Caruso suit sale thread going right now. Weird.
     


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    It might be easier for him if he just created one new user name called "Sybil" or "Herschel Walker". Either way...
     


  11. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt The Liberator Dubiously Honored

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    I thought that perhaps Soph had changed his user name to go undercover.
     


  12. j

    j (stands for Jerk) Admin

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    I thought that perhaps Soph had changed his user name to go undercover.
    Haha, the first thing I thought was that Conne had started another account to bug Soph...
     


  13. Holdfast

    Holdfast Senior member

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    Except banning known proxy server IPs (ranges), which I've started doing. Most people aren't industrious enough to set up their own or find an obscure one, so this solves most of that.

    Sure, makes sense... but eventually the persistent trolls find out how to set up their own after you keep banning the other ones they try. [​IMG]

    By the way, how do you deal with likely duals with RIPE network IP ranges? This is a real nuisance too - many legitimate people post from these network ranges and you can't just ban the entire network. Personalised data of the kind I'm sure you also look at helps to some degree to identify duals where you can guess who the other identity is and so can compare easily. But when you're not sure who the dual is, it's a lot of extra work to match up this sort of data in any sort of foolproof way. False negative and false positives occur. Anyway, I'm sidetracking I guess, but would appreciate any advice...
     


  14. onion

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    I am pretty sure this is not the case but I have to point out one possibility. If these people are posting within the same company network, they'll appear to be from the same IP. For example, my friend and I both post to Fatwallet and if the admins decided to crackdown, they might accuse us of being the same person because of the IP address. But we're not. And it's perfectly reasoable for us to to comment on each other's posts.

    Well this can be checked, assuming the person doesn't ONLY use SF at work. If J (or any mod) logs into the moderation part of VBulletin they can check IP's for users. If they are different people chances are they've logged on at their house, which would give both users a long string of separate IPs. You can also view their ISP which could also be different.

    Yeah, but are you doing it to avoid a rule about not bumping? If you're in the same building, there's no reason to ask in the thread. (In our case.)

    I moderate another forum and in buying/selling some people post on 3 or 4 user names to make it seem like everyone and their brother is interested in the item so that when Joe Blow views the thread he thinks "Oh I've got to jump on this great deal or it'll be gone." It works too, unless they get perma-banned.

    Except banning known proxy server IPs (ranges), which I've started doing. Most people aren't industrious enough to set up their own or find an obscure one, so this solves most of that.

    Yup, but what sucks is you can end up banning people in the range who didn't do anything wrong. You could even ban future users, IIRC, that fall into the range.

    Where I moderate they don't allow me to ban ranges, so I've had to ban the same person literally over 30 times in one case (AND HE STILL POSTS!!).
     


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    Excuse my ignorance (I'm "technologically challenged") but if I just ordered a similar suit from fredrik80 last week am I to assume that I've been scammed?
     


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