Just delivering the inside scoop...saw a bunch of Penguin denim at Nordstrom Rack complete with the Selvage edge. Kinda hard to believe actually when I first came across them. I'm still wondering if they're legit. Anyways, people looking for a bargain on a pair of raw selvage joints (only around $70-$80) should check it out. Note: Even though the wash was labeled "Raw," I noticed that the denim had a different feel from that of other selvage brands (e.g. APC). It was almost as if it had been pre-soaked.