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Seiko Watches - Underrated?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by GQBaller, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. Atlantic herring

    Atlantic herring Senior member

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  2. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Senior member

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    Yep I have one too. It's standard equipment in the Junior iGent Membership Pack

    That would be a great concept for one of the SF resellers. You know, have a little logo at the top of the page: "iGent Membership Pack." Click it and get an instant starter package, and immediate elevation to Senior Member status on StyleForvm...an invaluable extra.

    - B
     
  3. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That would be a great concept for one of the SF resellers. You know, have a little logo at the top of the page: "iGent Membership Pack." Click it and get an instant starter package, and immediate elevation to Senior Member status on StyleForvm...an invaluable extra.

    - B


    But would it include a BlazerSuit or a SwissArmySuit? [​IMG]
     
  4. grimslade

    grimslade Senior member

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    Hope this helps. Even if it's second hand
    http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=4233722&rid=0


    Ach.

    Fortunately, the discount from new is not so great as to force me to jump on it right this second.

    Thanks.
     
  5. grimslade

    grimslade Senior member

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    But would it include a BlazerSuit or a SwissArmySuit? [​IMG]

    SAS=vaporware
     
  6. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Senior member

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    But would it include a BlazerSuit or a SwissArmySuit? [​IMG]

    Too advanced for the Starter Pack...the SP requires something safer with no possibity of the drape.


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  7. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Senior member

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    SAS=vaporware

    Maybe I'll wear it to a Farm Feast.


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  8. Tarmac

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    That would be a great concept for one of the SF resellers. You know, have a little logo at the top of the page: "iGent Membership Pack." Click it and get an instant starter package, and immediate elevation to Senior Member status on StyleForvm...an invaluable extra.

    - B


    It consists of Redwing GTs, Iron Heart 634, Seiko Spirit, Filson Bag, and a Flat Head Shirt. You can substitute a Red Moon wallet for any one item. Persols are not included but can be purchased at 30% discount.

    (I keed, but I own the first 4)
     
  9. grimslade

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    Maybe I'll wear it to a Farm Feast.


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    Brown is better for that.
     
  10. lsquare

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    Yes, a dealer with a watchmaker out back, or a stand-alone watch-repair person, but it's the easiest thing in the world...takes about 5 minutes and shouldn't cost more than $10 or so. Be sure you save the links that have been removed, as you might want to add one later (if you gain a little weight) or have them with the watch if you ever decide to sell it. You can have a link or a few removed, try it, add a link or have another removed, etc., until you get it exactly right--as loose or tight as you prefer.

    Both Katsu Higuchi and Seiya Kobayashi would commit harakiri before cheating a customer or ever selling something that was not authentic. You should have absolutely no fears in this regard.


    lol, thx for the reassurance. I'm just wondering how do I get the leather strap to fit my wrist perfectly? Does Seiko sell different kind of straps to accomodate the differences in wrist size or I just have to use the different holes in the strap to secure it on my wrist?
     
  11. khalidr

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    probably one of the best $200 i've spent....[​IMG]
     
  12. DNW

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    probably one of the best $200 i've spent....

    With all that stuff on there, how could you ever tell what time it is?
     
  13. Wingnut

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    This is my first posting here. Was directed toward this thread from another forum (watch related). Interesting read. IMVHO Seiko is underrated for reasons that have already been stated: Seiko's marketing strategy in North America . . . quartz for the mainstream consumer where the overwhelming revenue can be made in sales.

    Since this is about Seiko, I will post a number of pics of some Seiko rarely seen in the USA with short remarks about each.. None are (or were) expensive, and a couple vintage I personally restored cosmetically (zero movement work . . . no reason for it). You can draw your own conclusions about the brand. Keep in mind that for the vintage, acrylic crystals were found on everything, including Omegas and Rolexes.

    Vintage Seiko 5 made in 1969 with a 21j 6119A auto-wind movement in solid stainless steel case. In its era, this was considered an affordable middle-grade Seiko:
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    Vintage Seiko 5 made in 1974 with 21j 6119C auto-wind movement in solid stainless steel case:
    [​IMG]

    Seiko Arcadia made in 2001 with 10-year battery life 8F32 perpetual quartz movement. It "knows" month of year and which year it is in the Leap Year cycle; date never needs to be advanced at the end of a month. Solid stainless steel case with solid machined links and heavy sapphire crystal. These were sold in the U.S., but not in big numbers. This was a "named" collection selling approx 2x-3x the price of the Seikos most people find in department stores.
    [​IMG]

    Seiko 5 Superior made in 2003 with 23j 7S36 auto-wind movement in machined stainless steel case and integral band and sapphire crystal. This is no light-weight at over 180 grams. Today, the "5 Superior" is a cut above the normal Seiko 5 line and they're sold in the Asian market:
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    Seiko "Spirit" made in 2006 with 23j 6R15 auto-wind movement in machined stainless steel case and integral band. Not a lightweight either, the crystal is very thick, faceted sapphire and has AR coating on its underside. The "Spirit" is a definite cut above the entire Seiko 5 (Superior) line and they're sold in Japan. After examining it closely, my watchmaker (qualified to work on anything made) remarked that this was the kind of stuff Seiko should be sending to the US:
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    A brand name owned by Seiko is Credor, and AFAIK, they're only sold in Japan. It's considered a high-end prestige brand with edgier designs compared to the classical Grand Seiko. The "flagship" solid gold cased Credor Spring Drive Sonnerie. MSRP: 15,000,000 JPY; ~$150,000 USD at current exchange rate. You're either into skeleton watches or not . . . for a few dollars less you can get one with a normal dial. (I do not own one):
    [​IMG]

    I want to introduce another Japanese brand rarely seen in the USA: Orient. IMVHO, they are the #2 Japanese watchmaker, just behind Seiko. Their production volumes are small compared to Seiko, and they are marketed in the Asian-Pacific region. Both are mid-range in Orient's entire lineup.

    Orient Power Reserve with 23j caliber 46 series Orient auto-wind movement, solid stainless steel case with integral band, and very heavy mineral glass crystal:
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    Orient "M-Force" Power Reserve World Time with 23j caliber 46 series Orient auto-wind movement, solid stainless steel case with integral band, and very heavy mineral glass crystal. The World Time ring rotates counter-clockwise at half the rate of the hour hand, and can be set as desired using the crown:
    [​IMG]

    Orient's "flagship" is the Royal Orient collection which have Rolex prices. Quite affordable are the Orient Star which are a cut above the pair I've shown and extremely well made. Orient isn't underrated, it's entirely unknown in North America (except among watch collectors). Much of what does migrate across the Big Pond via ePrey is at the very bottom of their watch collections (similar to inexpensive Seikos).

    Hope this has given you a look at some Japanese watches you haven't seen before . . . Seiko and Orient . . . and more information about these Japanese brands.

    Best Wishes

    You may now continue with your regularly scheduled thread about Seiko and whether it's underrated. [​IMG]
     
  14. Levator Superioris

    Levator Superioris Well-Known Member

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    I am going to go against the grain, my experience with seiko has been anything but reliable. I had a titanium automatic whose face would come loose and get destroyed by the hands, this happened 3 times until the repair store refunded my money and refused to touch it. The automatic divers (seamaster look alike) needed cleaning after 5 years as it was loosing up to five minutes a day.
     
  15. Mr.K

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    I decided to give Seiko a try again, since I have not owned one in years. I wanted a chronograph that had the look of the IWC and decided on an Asian market watch from Ebay. I really wanted the IWC, but cannot justify the price now compared to the 90.00 dollars this watch cost me. It is a little light compared to the other watches I own, but it should hopefully last a long time and take a good beating.

    [​IMG]
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  16. davidsj

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    How are the quality of the Seiko leather bands? Is it a good idea to opt for the metal?
     
  17. videocrew

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    How are the quality of the Seiko leather bands? Is it a good idea to opt for the metal?
    The leather is OK, but easily improved. The metal band depends on which one you're looking at. The Oyster style bracelet SUCKS but can be replaced with the "Super Oyster" that floats around the internet and has matching end links available for most of the divers. The President and Jubilee style bracelets are fine. Of course if it's a higher end Seiko (> $250) all bets are off and the metal and leather are both fine.
     
  18. davidsj

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    Just ordered this one from Seiya:

    http://www.seiyajapan.com/product/S-...5_SARB031.html

    Looking forward to receiving it.

    Word of caution to would be buyers: I found out they only accept Payapl or money order/check, and not straight up credit cards. It takes several days to get a Paypal account up and running and confirmed, so if you're even on the fence of purchasing from them, I suggest you get the Paypal account rolling. Nothing sucks more than having to wait to give somebody your money!
     
  19. forex

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    Just ordered this one from Seiya:

    http://www.seiyajapan.com/product/S-...5_SARB031.html

    Looking forward to receiving it.

    Word of caution to would be buyers: I found out they only accept Payapl or money order/check, and not straight up credit cards. It takes several days to get a Paypal account up and running and confirmed, so if you're even on the fence of purchasing from them, I suggest you get the Paypal account rolling. Nothing sucks more than having to wait to give somebody your money!


    I plan to buy this watch but the gold one,must be nice.I hope it is a good value for a sub $500 watch.
     
  20. TGPlastic

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    I own about eight or ten watches. I've got two Seiko 5 autos that get a fair amount of work and sport wear. I think they look good. Easy to wear under a suit. Fit and finish is very respectable. I don't think I paid more than $60 for either one. One is a silver satin face with matchsticks and the other is a dark blue with light arabic numbers on the hours. Both have display backs. Both came on bracelets but sometimes live for a few months on straps. (I have about 6 straps in the 18mm size.) I also have two Seiko divers: one massive, vintage, mid-seventies automatic on a rubber strap and one very recent ultra-high accuracy quartz perpetual calendar. The old diver has a lot of soul but is a bit rough and really huge. The new diver is very cool because it's accurate to 20 seconds a year and always knows what day it is. I have much respect for the Seikos. I think that in the USA market they are undervalued. Other watches in the stable include a Corum Bubble, an Omega Seamster auto black with sword hands, a vintage Tudor Submariner, and a couple of old tanks in various states of repair. Maybe that's more than ten.

    In short, yeah. I think Seiko is good.
     

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