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Sea Shepherd's new boat vs Japanese Whalers

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by robin, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. Nil

    Nil Senior member

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    Is there any sort of legal recourse these green freaks could take on the whalers for the deliberate ramming? I'm relatively ignorant of the law in general and even moreso maritime law.
     
  2. CBDB

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    Yes you are so provacative - is that what they call cocksuckers nowadays?[​IMG]

    Hush bitch...man talk.
     
  3. apropos

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    Japanese were against us in WW2. Never forget.
    You're of Russian descent, no?
    One would think that a small, light, powerful speedboat would be able to outmaneuver a large lumbering fucking whaling vessel.

    It likely takes the whaling ship a minute to make a 90 degree turn. ERGO: The people on the anti-whaling vessel are hippie scumbag terrorists who probably deserve to be ice cubes right now for their stupidity. The whalers are probably fishing illegally, but guess what - when I see someone jaywalking, it doesn't give me free reign to run them down with my car.
    Exactly right.
    Morons.
     
  4. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    I just don't get the point of whaling. It's like purposely being an asshole for no good reason.

    didn't you read moby did? its the ultimate masculine sport.
     
  5. suited

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    I like whales. (eating them, that is).

    It seems anti-whaling is based on 2 main points:

    - they are intelligent
    - they are near extinct

    - Intelligence argument: If you claim that you should not eat intelligent life (whatever that is), then you must also be against eating things like pork, for example. You must also show that there is some special intelligence hierarchy, then draw a line to determine the dumb animals that you are allowed to eat.

    - Extinct argument: There are some whale species that are probably near extinct, but others that are not. Regulation would easily solve this. Also, the extinction argument should be spread out over other fish as well. For example, all over the world (including the U.S., and the west) some argue we are starting to fish tuna to extinction. Actually there are numerous fish besides whale that people should be worried about in terms of the extinction argument, because there are not really any regulations. Whale is already regulated to certain degree, so there is not much to worry about anymore in terms of extinction. Japan is all for regulation of whaling and other species as well, but I think other anti-whaling countries may be against whaling regulation, because it will spill over to other species which they are fishing to oblivion. Obviously those fish are not as cute, intelligent, and there is a very good reason to continue fishing them.

    2 more points that are frequently brought up by people who have no idea are:

    - they are cute
    - there is no reason for the Japanese to continue whaling anymore

    Those are both very subjective arguments. Surprisingly a large percentage of anti-whalers bring up these points frequently, but I am sure they would be the most vocal if the tables were turned. Basically they are arguing that a small group of people from a specific culture (their`s of course) should determine what the whole world should eat. I guess they think their opinion/culture is superior and should be the one to make this determination, but what if they are not the deciding culture?


    good post.

    The only non-hypocritical argument against whaling would be a vegetarian who does not eat eggs, fish, or any meat at all. At least they would be consistent in their protests.
     
  6. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    I'm just saying that whales are awesome, intelligent creatures


    pigs are very friendly, very intelligent animals, too

     
  7. ysc

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    how, exactly, are they vital to our ecosystem? seriously, I don't think that you know what you are talking about. animals, plants, things that are low on the food chain can be vital to the ecosystem, other things depend on them. in nature, what eats whales? what vital service to the ecosystem do whales do?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_species http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-dow...ign#Ecological He may or may not know what he is talking about, but he is not necessarily wrong.
     
  8. The Swede

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    That sea shepherd boat is pretty weak, no guns or lasers, what is the point?

    No lasers you say?

    [​IMG]

    I like whales just fine and think killing them is sad (except for certain indigenous tribes etc). However the Sea Shepherd people are such monumental idiots that they have me rooting for the whalers. If you watch the video is is pretty clear they drive their flimsy batmoboat right into the path of the considerably larger whaling ship. The Whale Wars show is wonderful if you like seeing whiny hippies almost getting themselves killed. Which I do. That said, I would prefer industrial scaled whaling was prohibited and enforced.

    New video

     
  9. blackjack

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    The Sea Shepherd first claimed their speedboat, Ady Gil, was purposely rammed by the Shonan Maru 2 while stationary in the water. Hmmm interesting claim especially when the telltale wakes in videos released by both the Japanese and Sea Shepherd Society indicate otherwise. In a telephone interview with a TV news station, Paul Watson, then claimed the Ady Gil was in reverse. Again, the videos show the Ady Gil moving forward. The top speed of the Ady Gil is 45 knots or 52 mph. The top speed of the Shonan Maru 2 is 12 knots or about 14 mph. If one really understands the capabilities of each ship, it is very difficult to comprehend how the Shonan Maru 2 would be able to launch an "unprovoked" ramming of the much more quicker and agile Ady Gil. It's more likely the captain of the Ady Gil either deliberately crashed his vessel in an attempt to gain public sympathy or he grossly miscalculated an attempt to make a run just before the bow of the larger ship. There was a time when the antics of the Sea Shepherd won fans with their unarmed semi-suicidal tactics using Zodiacs. However, by attacking the Japanese with green lasers and butyric acid bombs, they've clearly slipped into the eco-terrorist zone. And, the Ady Gil already has a "history" of killing innocent people .. when it was known as the Earthrace, it collided with a Guatemalan fishing boat leaving one man dead and another seriously crippled. "High-powered lawyers" (the captain's own words) and large amount of under the table money got the crew off scot-free. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10429738 If these eco-versions of Somalian pirates ever attacked a US vessel under similar circumstances, we'd probably expect the crew to fire back with live ammunition. None of the kid glove treatment that the Japanese seem to be using until now. It makes me think one of the reasons the Sea Shepherd and other anti-whaling organizations have been focusing only on the Japanese and not the Icelanders and Norwegians is hypocrisy. Scandinavians with their dashing good looks are admittedly difficult to vilify. Plus, their whalers are probably more likely to retaliate with automatic weapons fire the moment their ships are attacked. Good old Viking spirit!
     
  10. Brian SD

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    Whale taste is nothing special. That's all I have to add.
     
  11. Eason

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    They also taste great.... so there's one reason.
    They do not taste great, they taste like fat crap. We should drop another nuke on the Japs to teach them to respect life.
     
  12. Tokyo Slim

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    We should drop a nuke on the Americans to teach them to respect life.
    FTFY
     
  13. robin

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  14. Eason

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    FTFY

    Yeah that's kinda the point but I didn't really have a point, just that people are jerkwad meatbags.
     
  15. CDFS

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    The Sea Shepherd first claimed their speedboat, Ady Gil, was purposely rammed by the Shonan Maru 2 while stationary in the water. Hmmm interesting claim especially when the telltale wakes in videos released by both the Japanese and Sea Shepherd Society indicate otherwise. In a telephone interview with a TV news station, Paul Watson, then claimed the Ady Gil was in reverse. Again, the videos show the Ady Gil moving forward.

    The top speed of the Ady Gil is 45 knots or 52 mph. The top speed of the Shonan Maru 2 is 12 knots or about 14 mph. If one really understands the capabilities of each ship, it is very difficult to comprehend how the Shonan Maru 2 would be able to launch an "unprovoked" ramming of the much more quicker and agile Ady Gil. It's more likely the captain of the Ady Gil either deliberately crashed his vessel in an attempt to gain public sympathy or he grossly miscalculated an attempt to make a run just before the bow of the larger ship.

    There was a time when the antics of the Sea Shepherd won fans with their unarmed semi-suicidal tactics using Zodiacs. However, by attacking the Japanese with green lasers and butyric acid bombs, they've clearly slipped into the eco-terrorist zone. And, the Ady Gil already has a "history" of killing innocent people .. when it was known as the Earthrace, it collided with a Guatemalan fishing boat leaving one man dead and another seriously crippled. "High-powered lawyers" (the captain's own words) and large amount of under the table money got the crew off scot-free. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10429738

    If these eco-versions of Somalian pirates ever attacked a US vessel under similar circumstances, we'd probably expect the crew to fire back with live ammunition. None of the kid glove treatment that the Japanese seem to be using until now.

    It makes me think one of the reasons the Sea Shepherd and other anti-whaling organizations have been focusing only on the Japanese and not the Icelanders and Norwegians is hypocrisy. Scandinavians with their dashing good looks are admittedly difficult to vilify. Plus, their whalers are probably more likely to retaliate with automatic weapons fire the moment their ships are attacked. Good old Viking spirit!


    Unexpected behaviour, perhaps?
     
  16. globetrotter

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    I trust that science will provide me with answers soon enough. But still, no monkey or dolphin will ever measure up to Bea...[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Monkeys plus Broadway remind me of: http://www.hulu.com/watch/20840/the-...lures-comeback If Troy McClure can learn how to love a monkey, so can Conne.
     
  18. quevola

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    fair enough, thanks. I honestly don't know that much about marine biology, but I thought that wales ate plankton, and so does pretty much everything else.

    So you admit you don't know shit as well...
     
  19. crazyquik

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    Is there any sort of legal recourse these green freaks could take on the whalers for the deliberate ramming? I'm relatively ignorant of the law in general and even moreso maritime law.

    I am ignorant as well, but . . .

    - Sea Shepherds are basically pirates, and even adopted the jolly roger.
    - Sea Shepherds even acknowledge going outside the law with their work.
    - Japanese have been constantly harassed by them
    - Japanese are probably within their right

    I'm glad that when I drive around my SUV, people aren't throwing stink bombs at it and trying to slash my tires by throwing roofing nails into the road.
     
  20. crazyquik

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    We should privatize the whales.
     

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