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Schubert Shoes Arrived!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kcgreg, Jun 8, 2006.

  1. DNW

    DNW Senior member

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    From what I've seen so far, these Schubert customs look decently made. However, the leather dyeing seems a bit...off. The biggest difference here between the Kiton sample and the Schubert shoes seems to be the coloring. Somehow, even though I'm sure they fit like a dream, I wouldn't want to order a pair of Schubert because of the coloring.
     


  2. Girardian

    Girardian Senior member

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    I find many attractive shoes loose their shape in extra wide or narrow widths when adjusted on a static last. A recent post with a picture of a pair of AE wholecuts (to my eye) proved up my point -- great shoes, but in a double wide not so great looking.

    Shouldn't balance is a consideration weighed by a custom shoemaker when replicating a design? I know little about this process, but would think that the toe could be elongated to make for a better bespoke copy.

    Am I off the mark here? Would it be possible to get closer to the picture in the size and width needed?
     


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  4. Get Smart

    Get Smart Don't Crink

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    The text on the buckle seems to say XELEMENT(trade marked).

    wtf?! that is odd. "XELEMENT" sounds like a skatewear company.
     


  5. marc237

    marc237 Senior member

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    I am terribly sorry, but, to me, these shoes bear little, if any, relationship to the original. I find the shoes you were given to look as if they were generic, mass produced, low-end, made-in-China or Brazil shoes. The bulbous look, the lack of any chiseling, the too wide strap, the lack of proportionality all give the shoes an overall unattractive appearance. And, of course, the buckle is an abomination.

    Based on the postings to date, I do not see Schubert shoes as worth the investment unless one has particularly hard to fit feet.
     


  6. 5thave

    5thave Active Member

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    What grade are those? the SC?
     


  7. seok

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    easy, guys, easy...

    i sent kcgreg 2 types of buckle--a gold-colored one without writing and a silver-colored one which had a label on it.

    as for the unseemly wide shoe, well, it needs to account for an extra-wide foot.

    as for the construction method and the general elegance, i think everyone will be pleased with the shoe model that jjgold will receive in a month's time.
     


  8. gdl203

    gdl203 Affiliate Vendor Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    wow... [​IMG]

    This is what was ordered for a custom shoe
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    ... and this is what was delivered?
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    I'm growing a little concerned now that I have booked an appointment for next week with seok... I'm not sure whether I should cut my losses (and lose the $50 deposit) or take the risk to pay $250-350 for a pair of shoes that may look nothing like my wishes or specs and that I will never wear... [​IMG]
     


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    I'm by no means an expert on shoes, nor am I a fan of kcgreg's shoes, but I must say that I think one of the problems here is trying to widen a static last, as alluded to earlier. Just as you can't have the waist of a sack suit jacket taken in massively and expect it to have the European look, you can't widen a last intended for a narrow foot without throwing off the proportions. So, I don't blame Schubert 100% for the shoes not turning out well, at least in terms of appearance.
     


  10. j

    j (stands for Jerk) Admin

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    It seems like they are going to have to learn how to say "no, that's not going to be possible for your foot". The leather quality doesn't look up to snuff, and they are going to need to learn a lot about how an elegant shape is to achieved - can they bevel the waist, do they shank the shoe so the waist can be narrow, do they recognize a chisel toe and know how to make one, can they stitch more finely and hide the stitches better, etc...

    Here's hoping they can improve, quickly.
     


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    This is a clear cut example of the stereotypes regarding non-Western artisans.

    For anyone who continues down this path, make sure you have a very detailed list of specifications on what you want and demand that they are implemented. Only then do you have a chance of pinning down a good product. Of course, that means gaining a certain level of expertise in shoes, but that's what this forum is here for.
     


  12. RJman

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    Was Schubert sent different pictures of the shoe to copy taken from different angles, or just the one?
     


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    That Kiton shoe and its accompanying last is not the easiest shoe to copy since it's not particularly distinct in its shape.
     


  14. seok

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    we are learning everyday and i owe SF for the members' detailed feedback.

    as to the tightness of the shoes, we learned that the scanning/fax tracing of all members who reported unusual tightness were transmitted at under 100% setting. since the foot tracing is the main piece to the shoe construction, tracings that were transmitted/scanned at below 100% did come out tightly. fit has never been an issue when feet were measured by the shoemaker and me.

    starting from jjgold's SC-line purchase, we are having another shoemaker come in line (who will exclusively make the SC-line products), with superior construction and more subtle stitching.

    thanks again everyone.

    It seems like they are going to have to learn how to say "no, that's not going to be possible for your foot". The leather quality doesn't look up to snuff, and they are going to need to learn a lot about how an elegant shape is to achieved - can they bevel the waist, do they shank the shoe so the waist can be narrow, do they recognize a chisel toe and know how to make one, can they stitch more finely and hide the stitches better, etc...

    Here's hoping they can improve, quickly.
     


  15. gdl203

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    we are learning everyday and i owe SF for the members' detailed feedback.

    as to the tightness of the shoes, we learned that the scanning/fax tracing of all members who reported unusual tightness were transmitted at under 100% setting. since the foot tracing is the main piece to the shoe construction, tracings that were transmitted/scanned at below 100% did come out tightly. fit has never been an issue when feet were measured by the shoemaker and me.

    starting from jjgold's SC-line purchase, we are having another shoemaker come in line (who will exclusively make the SC-line products), with superior construction and more subtle stitching.

    thanks again everyone.


    seok - will you have samples of work by this new shoemaker in NY next week?
     


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