Sartorial mythbusting

[George]

Originally Posted by tailorgod

They have weakened up the rules a bit here in Germany, so one could run his own (tailoring) business even without a master title, applies to most of the professions were lives are not directly at stake (which should include tailoring).
Traditionally, you could only be a member of a crafts guild if you were a master craftsman. To become a member of a guild you were required you to produce a masterwork and this would then scrutinised by the master craftsmen of the appropriate guild. If this was deemed to be of suitable quality, he would then be able to become a member of the guild and be allowed to use the word master craftsman. This I believe was the way of the guilds in Europe which have their origin in the middle ages. The stages in England were: apprentice - journeyman - master craftsman In Germany I think: Apprentice - Geselle(?)- craftsmeister.

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by George

The stages in England were: apprentice - journeyman - master craftsman
In Germany I think: Apprentice - Geselle(?)- craftsmeister.

In Germany: Lehrling - Geselle - Meister.

In the old days, parents even had to pay the master to take on their son as apprentice.

As in England, a Geselle (Journeyman) travelled extensivly to different towns and worked for different masters.

The best thing that could happen to one of those lads, he came across a workshop where the master had died and the widow was running the business (quite common in those days). With a bit of luck he could get his feet under the table and into the bed and on top of it had a fully equipped workshop at his disposal.

 

[voxsartoria]

Originally Posted by bengal-stripe

The best thing that could happen to one of those lads, he came across a workshop where the master had died and the widow was running the business (quite common in those days). With a bit of luck he could get his feet under the table and into the bed and on top of it had a fully equipped workshop at his disposal.

This is still true today, and the manner in which most clothing blogs are established on the Internet.


- B

 

[tailorgod]

Originally Posted by bengal-stripe

In Germany: Lehrling - Geselle - Meister.

In the old days, parents even had to pay the master to take on their son as apprentice.

As in England, a Geselle (Journeyman) travelled extensivly to different towns and worked for different masters.

The best thing that could happen to one of those lads, he came across a workshop where the master had died and the widow was running the business (quite common in those days). With a bit of luck he could get his feet under the table and into the bed and on top of it had a fully equipped workshop at his disposal.
In the good old days were sufficient tailor shops even in small towns to work for.
I think that widow thing happened usually during or after war periods.
In some of my older tailoring magazines you'll find announcements by widows of tailors offering what you described. If their husbands got killed in the war she was still young enough to remarry...
and hopefully still attractive enough!
Which brings us back to the "erotically enchanting grandmother"...

 

[voxsartoria]

I feel that this page so far is feeling decidedly medieval and archaic.

Based on a tip from SF Junior Member iLookok's blog, here is something more contemporary: the 2010 True Religion Swimwear Collection.

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Let's keep the energy level up for the rest of the page, people!


- B

 

[jefferyd]

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

I feel that this page so far is feeling decidedly medieval and archaic.

- B

And yet, Sator hasn't even made an appearance!

Mind you, I think he's over that old stuff. He's all Deutschland über alles these days......

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by jefferyd

And yet, Sator hasn't even made an appearance!

Mind you, I think he's over that old stuff. He's all Deutschland über alles these days......

Ouch...I have been kicked in the face by my German colleague for mentioning the "Uber alles" part of the chorus.

Tell Sator to watch the movie on the Baader group ,that is an interesting piece of history.

 

[voxsartoria]

At this point, I would like to introduce the StyleForvm members who are posting on this page:

George, a Senior Member. George is British, and likes fitted clothing with lots of shape. He likes native British style and mathematics.

bengal-stripe, a Senior Member. b-s lives in London, where he plies the witchcraft of knowing a lot about shoes and other swell stuff. His biggest fan lives in Austria.

tailorgod, a Member. Recently arrived from the Satanic Forvm, he carries the protractor and pattern books that symbolize what in German is called Gummibärchen, Kuschelbär, or less typically, Schnuckiputzi.

jefferyd, Senior Member. Born and raised in a pagoda. Since an early age, jeffery has been taking apart things, which is why he was given a pet only once in childhood.

lasbar, Senior Member. It has been over a year since lasbar had a full night's sleep. And yet, he is not a vampire.

and yours truly,

voxsartoria, Senior Member. Not much can be said nor should be said.

I hope that with these introductions, the trajectory of this page has been improved.


- B

 

[jefferyd]

Originally Posted by lasbar

Ouch...I have been kicked in the face by my German colleague for mentioning the "Uber alles" part of the chorus.


Oops. Yes, well, I meant in the more literal sense than historical. Poor Haydn. It's just that he has abandoned the There is One Drafting System and Devere is His prophet in favor of the Rundschau To Rule All.

 

[RJman]

voxxxy, can you edit your post?

Originally Posted by jefferyd

And yet, Sator hasn't even made an appearance!
He seems to have muttered, "Drape Pigs," spread his wings and flown back to the Satan Forum.

Originally Posted by lasbar

Ouch...I have been kicked in the face by my German colleague for mentioning the "Ueber alles" part of the chorus.

Tell Sator to watch the movie on the Baader group ,that is an interesting piece of history.

Have you seen the Action Directe film with Jean-Hugues Anglade? They filmed an assassination scene in the doorway of my apartment building when I lived in Paris. It was very odd to come home at midnight to that one night.

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by RJman

voxxxy, can you edit your post?

He seems to have muttered, "Drape Pigs," spread his wings and flown back to the Satan Forum.



Have you seen the Action Directe film with Jean-Hugues Anglade? They filmed an assassination scene in the doorway of my apartment building when I lived in Paris. It was very odd to come home at midnight to that one night.

No , I wait for Mesrine to be available at my local Blockbuster.

I have really enjoyed the Baader movie...Action directe were just a bunch of amateurish lefties, a bunch of small timers....

There is a comeback of political movies since the banking crisis...

 

[voxsartoria]

I feel that the discussion of French cinema represents a new low on this page.

Unfortunate, really.

I hope that we can make it to another page somehow, and the whole French movie thing will become a distant memory.


- B

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

I feel that the discussion of French cinema represents a new low on this page.

Unfortunate, really.

I hope that we can make it to another page somehow, and the whole French movie thing will become a distant memory.


- B


Vox , we will stop our little aparte to allow this thread to be saved from some French kiss of death.

 

[voxsartoria]

Originally Posted by lasbar

Vox , we will stop our little aparte to allow this thread to be saved from some French kiss of death.

Well, it takes baby steps. The thread is too large.

Instead, if we can save each page, page by page as we go along, then perhaps there will be vindication.

My feeling is still that the energy level is too low at this point of the page. Too downcast. I suggest everyone revisit my earlier post with the girls in bikinis, then come back.


- B

 

[ohm]

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

I feel that the discussion of French cinema represents a new low on this page.

Unfortunate, really.

I hope that we can make it to another page somehow, and the whole French movie thing will become a distant memory.


- B

There is some French cinema worth watching.

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It helps that it's short.