Saphir residue help!

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  1. mdapht01

    mdapht01 Active Member

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    Last night I decided to give an older pair of shoes a thorough "back to life" treatment. They are a burgundy Allen Edmonds McAllister. The creases I thought looked too prominent. So I decided to put Saphir Renovateur on them and leave it on overnight, before proceeding with the regular shoe cream followed by wax polish. I decided to put a thicker blob of saphir above the throatline where the creases were most prominent. After letting them sit overnight, I tried to buff them off this morning. Everything went according to plan, except the area where I had put excess Saphir. Those areas are discolored and I can't seem to get all the Saphir out with normal buffing. I tried to rub some alcohol-water mix over it hoping to dilute/break-it-up, but to no avail. I used some soap with water. Some Allen Edmonds cleaner conditioner. I subjected the area to some modest heat over a flame, hoping to melt some of the residue, but again it's stubborn. Has anyone had this problem? Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks very much - I have learned a lot from read some of these threads. No matter how careful - mistakes still happen. Thanks!
     
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    bboysdontcryy Senior member

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    Can you even leave the Renoveateur overnight? try some shoe cream?
     


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    Well, I had read of some people who seem to know a little something about shoe care, who would leave saphir on their shoes overnight - buff them the following morning. I'm afraid I may have removed some finish by using nail polish remover, but I'm not sure. I don't know if waiting longer is a good idea. At worst I can dye them - but they are already a dark burgundy. A darker color would have to be black?
     


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    Wait...wut???
     


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    For me the secret to using Renoveateur correctly is to use it sparingly, a pea sized amount at a time and work it in.
     


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    And buff it off a few minutes later - not the next day. Another little known secret to using Renovateur is to not follow it up with nail polish remover.
     


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    It's noted in small print on the bottle of the container...
     


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    Heh.
    I actually used nail polish remover to try to lighten/change the color on a thrift store pair of AEs. It took more acetone than you'd think, but it actually worked fine, and I liked the resulting color, although I ultimately ended up selling the shoes. But I wouldn't try it on a valuable pair.
    Sorry to the OP that I don't know how to fix the Saphir residue - unless you want to risk going whole hog with the acetone.
     


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    I don't think I overdid the nail polish remover. I diluted it with water, and then applied a few drops of it with a cloth. I'm being a OCD saying that I may have taken off some finish.

    Justin, the shoe snob, said that I should just let it dry now for a couple of days. Hopefully the excess Saphir gets soaked in. Saphir is pretty concentrated stuff and too much of it might be a bad thing. Then he suggested the use of a high-pigment shoe cream, like the one offered by Saphir, and thereby add some of the possibly lost pigment.

    I paid a visit to a cobbler who said that I should bring them in and he would try to clean out the residue and then apply some dye if there was loss of color.

    As a last resort, I called Allen Edmonds, and they said that I could send the shoes in for "refinishing" ($50) and as long as the damage is not drastic, it should come back perfectly presentable and good as new.

    Thanks everyone for the input. Much appreciated.
     


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    Unfortunately, it's in French. Hence, the confusion for OP.
     


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    If I'm not mistaken the shoes are made of corrected grain. Saphir Renovateur has close to no efffect on CG, however, using nail polish remover could have removed the top layer of the finishing, which IMO is destroying the shoes.
     


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    That's what I said. Use shoe cream (Under the impression it'd have been Saphir, since you use their Renovator).
     


  13. mdapht01

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    Christian B, I checked and they are indeed "polished cobbler"! - Corrected grain - that's why all my efforts at shoe cream and conditioning measures are having little effect. I don't know if it's the nail polish remover that did it (I used too little of it in diluted form). I think it was indeed the excess Saphir. The area now looks better than in the pictures but it looks dull, and it won't take any more shoe cream. Since this is indeed corrected grain as far as I can tell, I think the destination for these is the garbage. No need to spend 50 dollars and send them to AE refinishing. Thanks everyone for the help.
     


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