Saphir Renovateur to clean shoes?

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  1. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Goon member

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    You seem to be in good form today.

    Why, thank you, young man.

    Please do...although I admit to having a momentary dizzy spell as the word "bidet" flashed behind my eyes like a cue card.

    The original and more formal term for "bidet" is, "The French Science."


    - B
     


  2. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    But what do I know?
    Well, you're trying to think it through (good on you) even if, as I suspect, you have a conclusion already in hand. The only thing I would say is that years and years of experience with this kind of stuff...and leather...confers certain insights that might seem unpalatable to those not so blessed (or damned).
     


  3. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Why, thank you, young man. The original and more formal term for "bidet" is, "The French Science." - B
    Not to be confused with "cunnilingus"...although on the other hand maybe they are related in some tragic twist of linguistic/lingual malpropism.
     


  4. haganah

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    This is similar to advice that I received as a freshman back in college from older pals while we were at a roadtrip party at Smith. It was good advice then, so I have no reason to question you. - B
    I knew it. You're a lesbian.
     


  5. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    My apologies to the OP but if I can jump OT just for a second...I thought you all might enjoy this: This old cowboy walks into a bar in San Francisco and orders up a beer. After a bit he turns to a beautiful young woman and offers to buy her a drink. She says "sure, why not?" Couple of minutes later he asks her her name. She says "Britanny." He says "I'm RJ." Taking a sip, Brittany turns to RJ and asks "Are you a real cowboy?" RJ smiles and says "Well, I own a fair spread outside of Bozeman. I get up in the mornin' thinking about cows. I live, eat and sleep horses and workin' cattle. I spend most of my days in the saddle and I can dern sure throw the hoolihan. I guess I'll do til a real one comes along." He orders another round for both himself and her and then after a small pause says "Britanny, can I buy you dinner and take you dancing?" Brittany looks over at him and says "RJ, I don't think you get it...this is a gay bar and I'm a lesbian." RJ says "Lesbian? What's that?" Brittany says" I like women. I get up in the morning thinking about women. I go to bed at night and dream about women. I live, eat, and sleep women and making love to women." RJ's a little shocked but he understand sure enough. A little while later he's still at the bar when a pert brunette slips onto the stool next to him. He looks over but, having learned his lesson, doesn't offer to buy her a drink. But the brunette leans over and offers her hand... "I'm Kelsie" she says. "And are you a real cowboy?" RJ leans back and tips his hat onto the back of his head. "Well," he drawls "I thought I was, but I just found out I'm a lesbian."
     


  6. voxsartoria

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    DWF: It was supposed to be a secret that RJ is a Lesbian cowboy.

    But, that explains those true suede Delos paddock boots.


    - B
     


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  8. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    DWF: It was supposed to be a secret that RJ is a Lesbian cowboy. But, that explains those true suede Delos paddock boots. - B
    Really?! I didn't think anything could explain them.
     


  9. voxsartoria

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    Really?! I didn't think anything could explain them.

    They're based on a old Lobb Bootmaker design, you twerp.

    Someone we know might ask you to make something similar.


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  10. DWFII

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    They're based on a old Lobb Bootmaker design, you twerp. Someone we know might ask you to make something similar. - B
    Yikes!![​IMG]
     


  11. voxsartoria

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    Yikes!![​IMG]

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    - B
     


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    They're based on a old Lobb Bootmaker design, you twerp.

    Someone we know might ask you to make something similar.


    - B


    But that someone needs to get out of Beantown and get hisself out to Oregon, pardner.
     


  13. Concordia

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    ...even if you wipe off the excess isn't going to clean anything--it just moves the dirt around.

    And yet, light tan polish when used on brown shoes seems to remove a ton of dirt. At least, there's a lot more on the pad (or cotton balls) at the end of polishing than at the beginning.
     


  14. DWFII

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    And yet, light tan polish when used on brown shoes seems to remove a ton of dirt. At least, there's a lot more on the pad (or cotton balls) at the end of polishing than at the beginning.
    I'm not excited about quoting myself but...
    Well, think it through. Why do you need the Renovateur? Can't you just rub the shoe down with a rag? Won't that transfer the dirt to the cloth? Of course it will...to a limited degree--approximately to the same degree that wiping your face with a dry cloth will remove the coal dust after a hard day in the mines. Or just wiping the spaghetti sauce off a plate before putting it back in the cupboard. But what actually happens? In the case of your face, some dust comes off on the cloth. But, even if only by virtue of the oils that your skin naturally has, much of the dirt will remain, embedded in those oils, and most of that will end up in the creases of your skin. The same thing happens with leather...which is, after all, a preserved form of skin. I am near-as-nevermind certain (never having used it myself) that Renovateur was formulated to penetrate into the pores of the leather and nourish the fiber mat beneath the corium/grain surface. So, you rub it around. The more you rub it the warmer/softer it gets and the more it soaks in...carrying dirt with it. It begs the question doesn't it? ...or several questions:
    1) If you could rub it all off, then what good is it? 2) If you can't rub it all off, what do you suppose happens to the dirt and microfines that are carried into the pores and creases of the leather by the cream? Nevermind that the residue acts like fly-paper picking up even more dirt sitting in your closet. 3) What do you suppose this vigorous rubbing of all that micro-grit is doing to the leather?​
     


  15. Don Carlos

    Don Carlos In Time Out

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    After I remove the ice pack from my shoes, I use a deep pore-cleansing lotion. Then I use a water-activated gel cleanser, then a honey-almond scrub, and on the vamp an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint mask, which I leave on the shoe for ten minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use a conditioning lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries out the leather and makes it look older. Then a moisturizer, then an anti-aging balm, followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

    There is an idea of my Allen Edmonds seconds. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real shoe. Only an entity -- something illusory.
     


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