Saphir renovateur and rain?

[Bobbylupo]

I have a new pair of MOMA boots that I've polished and treated using saphir renovateur (the instructions say it can be used as a conditioner and a polish)

The reviews were good so i trusted it, but it poured in nyc yest and after walking around my boots developed this white film in spots, a little vinegar and water took it off but I'm wondering if it was salt from the rain or if its extra conditioner the leather didn't absorb properly?

Anyone have any experience with stuff?

I'm also sitting on a tin of Australian leather seal....I want to use it for the winter because it's supposed to be natural beeswax based, but Im still not sure about how the leather will breathe.

 

[gerardflanagan]

I appreciate this is 5 years old but I have this same problem! Any thoughts anyone?

 

[Clifff]

Same problem here. I used Saphir Reno and even used the Saphir cream in black afterwards but after walking in light rain, my shoes developed white spots the size of the rain drops. I highly doubt the problem relates to salt in the rain because I splashed a little tab water on the areas that were not covered in white spots already and the same white spots appeared there too.

Can someone pls enlighten?

 

[Clifff]

I appreciate this is 5 years old but I have this same problem! Any thoughts anyone?

Since we got no replies I went ahead and did some experimenting. I used Saphir Renovateur on a pair of Zenobi Captoes in Black Calf. I then let dry for 30 minutes and buffed properly. I then waited for another half hour before splashing water on the shoes very lightly. The white spots in consideration appeared though there were not as many as my experience in the drizzle in the street a few days ago.

I then repeated the same process but with the addition of Saphir Médaille d'Or Pommadier cream in black. After applying water I saw that only a few stains appeared on the shoe. It seemed that the more the area was covered initially with the cream the less likely it developed white spots.

Lastly, I tried the same procedure as above, that is Saphir Reno + buffing + Saphir Médaille d'Or Pommadier cream + buffing. I then applied a decent amount of Saphir Médaille d'Or Pâte de Luxe Wax and buffed to a nice shine. Interestingly there were no white spots after I splashed a light amount of H2O on the shoes.

This leads me to conclude that the cream + wax routine is necessary to supplement the Saphir Reno. Saphir Renovateur alone will not yield good results in rainy conditions.

Now I think we can hope for someone to enlighten us as to what exactly in Reno causes the white spots and if there are ways to circumvent this problem without having to use Cream and Wax.

Yours,

 

[Opethian]

Since we got no replies I went ahead and did some experimenting. I used Saphir Renovateur on a pair of Zenobi Captoes in Black Calf. I then let dry for 30 minutes and buffed properly. I then waited for another half hour before splashing water on the shoes very lightly. The white spots in consideration appeared though there were not as many as my experience in the drizzle in the street a few days ago.

I then repeated the same process but with the addition of Saphir Médaille d'Or Pommadier cream in black. After applying water I saw that only a few stains appeared on the shoe. It seemed that the more the area was covered initially with the cream the less likely it developed white spots.

Lastly, I tried the same procedure as above, that is Saphir Reno + buffing + Saphir Médaille d'Or Pommadier cream + buffing. I then applied a decent amount of Saphir Médaille d'Or Pâte de Luxe Wax and buffed to a nice shine. Interestingly there were no white spots after I splashed a light amount of H2O on the shoes.

This leads me to conclude that the cream + wax routine is necessary to supplement the Saphir Reno. Saphir Renovateur alone will not yield good results in rainy conditions.

Now I think we can hope for someone to enlighten us as to what exactly in Reno causes the white spots and if there are ways to circumvent this problem without having to use Cream and Wax.

Yours,

Interesting experiment!
Do you think experimenting with different amounts of Reno applied to the shoes will yield different results?

 

[Kal Varnsen]

Just a suggestion, but maybe this thread would be better posted in the Classic Menswear section? I think you'd have a better shot of people answering over there.

 

[Clifff]

Just a suggestion, but maybe this thread would be better posted in the Classic Menswear section? I think you'd have a better shot of people answering over there.

I did not even realize this was posted in the wrong forum. Thanks for pointing this out. How do we get the thread moved to the correct place?

 

[Clifff]

Interesting experiment!
Do you think experimenting with different amounts of Reno applied to the shoes will yield different results?

I used very small amounts. When I have time I will repeat the experiment with a thick coat of Reno and see what happens. I doubt though it will make less spots. I am inclined to think that it will give rise to more problems in the rain...

 

[Opethian]

I used very small amounts. When I have time I will repeat the experiment with a thick coat of Reno and see what happens. I doubt though it will make less spots. I am inclined to think that it will give rise to more problems in the rain...

Exactly! My thoughts are maybe a lot of reno is used and that's why it isn't being completely absorbed by the leather

 

[mlwdp]

Same problem here but with Chromexcel leather.

 

[bicycleradical]

Interesting experiment!
Do you think experimenting with different amounts of Reno applied to the shoes will yield different results?

I don't think that using Renovateur in large amounts will be helpful. My experience is that using wax polish provides the best protection from water damage to your shoes. Of course, this is subject to diminishing returns and if conditions are wet enough, either don't wear your nice shoes or wear galoshes to protect them.